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Galloglaich

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I think an overlooked and underappreciated part of your Codex, is the section on how animals really fight and attack. In that vein, I thought you might be interested in this:

Bull jumps out of ring, terrorizes crowd in Spain

With video, here.

I would have never expected bulls to be that agile. Scary!

Thanks and ... yeah that's scary. It reminds me of one of the Viking Sagas, this Viking army was tramping across Sweden, led by Ivar the boneless no less who is a semi-historical figure who apparently conquered almost all of England, and suddenly all these vikings are stopped by ... a cow.

A cow. There is a cow in the way and it won't let the army pass.

That was one of those ah, WTF moments? The sagas are wierd that way. Eventually Ivar shoots it with a bow and kills it. I'm guessing this may have actually been an Aurochs Bull, which is a bit more formidable than "a cow"

Aurochs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but it was still pretty hard to understand.... but it's actually part of the reason why I love the sagas they are so laconic and quirky in the way that gives them the ring of a real anecdote. The stories are never neatly tied up at the end... quite to the contrary.

I wonder if the cow was made into fajitas later....?

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Galloglaich

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I've heard about this for years, but its kind of cool to SEE it: ancient statuary...in PRISMACOLOR™!


Wow that is super cool too bad they didn't show more statues, shows how much different things were than we picture them, I always kind of think of ancient Greece as all white, like in "Clash of the Titans", everybody dressed in white, with white marble everywhere, some white birds..... evidently they had color :)

That archer is particularly interesting... looks like some of that is textile armor.

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Someone

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I'm late to this thread, but anyway. I smiled when I saw Bernal Díaz del Castillo in the OP, since I read his book years ago: once past the fact that it's written in 5 centuries old spanish, it's quite long and the writing style isn't itself very engaging once you stop to think what the guy is actually telling it sometimes sounds like a fantasy book: the battles against all odds (he once says that there were so many enemies that they could have buried them just by throwing them dirt), his amazement when reaching Tenochtitlan, and all the adventures and sheer terror they had there, it's simply incredible.
 

Galloglaich

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Yes it's an amazing story, told from a simple soldiers point of view, but, really absolutely amazing. Everyone who I gave that book to who read it was stunned by it. You don't have to sympathise with either side, Conquistadors or Aztecs, surely they were all horrible for the most part and many bad guys all round, but it's just such an incredible series of events, you can't help but be profoundly impressed by the courage and sheer elan, the scope of the events, the courage of those fighting on all sides. Part of the point of the OP was that books like that really blow away any fantasy novel ever written.

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Galloglaich

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Coroners records of dueling death-injuries 16th-17th Century

Speaking of reading between the lines, Matt Easton of Schola Gladiatoria posted this on his site, I found it quite interesting.

Interesting to see where the wounds were, how the people died from them, and that as far as the reports describe they mostly seem to have been clean kills, with victors walking away unwounded (as far as recorded):

11 March, 37 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at St. Martin's-in-the-Fields co. Midd. on view of the body of Anthony Barnes late of the said parish yoman, there lying dead: With Verdict that, on the 9th instant, between the hours five and six p.m., a certain James Perte late of the said parish yoman was within the same parish, and making his way in God's and the Queen's peace towards St. Giles's-in-the-Fields, when the said Anthony Barnes with his rapier drawn made an assault upon him; that James Perte vainly retreated from his assailant in order to escape from him; and that in the affray thus forced upon him James Perte, fighting lawfully in selfdefence and for the safety of his life, with his sword gave Anthony Barnes in the right part of his belly a mortal wound, of which he then and there instantly died. G. D. R., 3 Sept, 37 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1595', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 225-230.

11 April, 37 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at St. Martin's-in-the-Fields co. Midd. on view of the body of John Langton late of the said parish cutler: With Verdict that, on the 10th inst. between three and four p.m., the said John Langton and a certain Michael Pinkney late of the same parish, exchanged insulting words and had an affray in a certain place of the said parish, Michael Pinkney fighting with a rapier and John Langton fighting with a staff; in which affray Michael Pinkney with his rapier gave John Langton on the upper part of his right arm a mortal wound, of which he died within a quarter of an hour.—On his arraignment, acknowledging the indictment, Michael Pinkney asked for the book, read like a clerk, and was delivered. G. D. R., 2 May, 37 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1595', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 225-230.

28 June, 37 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at Stepney co. Midd. on view of the body of Richard Achan late of London gentleman: With verdict that, on the 27th inst. between five and six p.m., the said Richard Achan and a certain William Carvell late of London gentleman, being together at Stepney in the "London fielde," exchanged insulting words, and drawing forth their rapiers made an affray with one another, in which affray William Carvell with his sword gave Richard Achan a mortal wound, of which he then and there instantly died. G. D. R., 3 Sept., 37 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1595', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 225-230.

14 February, 29 Charles II.—True Bill that, at St. Martins-in-theFields co. Midd. on the said day, George Ward and Charles Michartey, both late of the said parish, assaulted a certain Ulick Mack-Elligott, and that the said George Ward then and there slew and murdered the said Ulick Mack-Elligott, by giving him with a rapier a mortal wound in the right part of his belly, of which wound the said Ulick Mack-Elligott then and there instantly died. Charles Michartey was acquitted. Acquitted of murder, but found 'Guilty' of manslaughter, George Ward pleaded his clergy effectually: 'cre' resp' usq' p'x'=the branding was deferred till the next Gaol Delivery. G. D. R., 7 March, 29 Charles II.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1677', Middlesex county records: Volume 4: 1667-88 (1892), pp. 75-81.

15 April, 29 Charles II.—True Bill that, at St. Giles's-in-theFields co. Midd. on the said day, William Mayes alias Mace esquire and Thomas Witherley gentleman, both late of the said parish, assaulted one Gilbert Ward, and that the said William Mayes alias Mace slew and murdered the same Gilbert, by giving him with a rapier a mortal wound on the left side of his breast, of which wound he then and there instantly died; And That the said Thomas Witherley was present at the perpetration of the said felony, and encouraged and aided William Mayes to commit it. On 10th Oct., 29 Charles II., William Mayes and Thomas Witherley "po se" = put themselves Not Guilty on a jury. The bill exhibits no clerical note touching later proceedings in the case. G. D. R., 25 April, 29 Charles II.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1677', Middlesex county records: Volume 4: 1667-88 (1892), pp. 75-81.

5 July, 29 Charles II.—True Bill that, at St. Clement's Danes' co. Midd. on the said day, Samuel Reynolds late of the said parish gentleman assaulted a certain James Button, and with a rapier gave him on the left part of his breast a serious wound, half-an-inch broad and six inches deep, of which wound the said James Button has languished from the aforesaid 5 th July to the day of the taking of this inquisition, to wit, the 4th of September, 29 Charles II. On 4th Oct., 1677, Samuel Reynolds confessed the indictment, and was fined in the sum of thirteen shillings and four pence, which he paid to the Sheriff in court. S. P. R., 4 Sept., 29 Charles II.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1677', Middlesex county records: Volume 4: 1667-88 (1892), pp. 75-81.

10 January, 13 Charles II.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at St. Andrew's in Holborne co. Midd., on view of the body of William Cropp gentleman, there lying dead and slain; With Verdict that on the 9th instant Edward Brydall late of the said parish gentleman was making his way up Chancery Lane towards High Holborn, when the said William Cropp, having a sword drawn in his right hand assaulted the said Edward Brydall and with the said sword wounded him in the left arm, and then said "Why do you not draw ? If you will not draw I will cut you in peeces," whereupon the said Edward Brydall drew his rapier in self-defence &c., and that in the ensuing affray the said Edward Brydall for the preservation of his own life gave the said William Cropp with the said rapier a mortal wound in his breast, of which wound he then and there died instantly. G. D. R., 15 Jan., 13 Charles II.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1662', Middlesex county records: Volume 3: 1625-67 (1888), pp. 318-331.

10 January, 19 Charles II.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at St. Martin's-in-the-Fields co. Midd., on view of the body of Edward Jeremy there lying dead and slain: With Verdict that, on the 7 th inst. at St. Giles's-in-the-Fields, James Anderson late of the said parish laborer assaulted the said Edward Jeremy and with a rapier gave the said Edward Jeremy in the belly a certain mortal wound, of which he died on the ninth day of the same month, being thus killed and slain by the said James Anderson.—16 Jan., 19 Charles II.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1668', Middlesex county records: Volume 4: 1667-88 (1892), pp. 6-12.

—January, 29 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at the parish of St. Giles-in-the-Fields, on view of the body of Humfrey Burchall . . . ., then and there lying dead: With Verdict that, on 7 January, 29 Elizabeth, between the hours eight and nine a.m., the said Humfrey Burchall in the parish of St. Dunstan-inle-West encountered Richard Sutton . . . .; and that the two walked together holding speech with one another (insimul ambulaverunt pariter confabulantes) to a certain close in the same parish, where Richard Sutton threw his cloak, sword and buckler on the ground, and spoke words to which Humfrey Burchall replied by saying, "But I will fighte with thee"; whereupon an affray was made between the two, Richard Sutton fighting with sword and buckler, whilst Humfrey Burchall fought with sword and dagger; in which affray the said Richard Sutton with his sword gave the said Humfrey on the fore part of his neck a mortal blow, of which he died; and that Richard Sutton thus slew Humfrey Burchall.—A memorandum, at the foot of the decayed and fragmentary bill, that at the Gaol Delivery of Newgate held on . . . ., Richard Sutton produced the Queen's pardon, and begged that it might be allowed to him. G. D. R., 5 April, 29 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1587', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 169-175.

16 January, 29 Elizabeth.—Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at the parish of St. Pancras, on view of the body of John Byttfield late of London gentleman, there lying dead: With Verdict that, on 15 January 29 Eliz. between the hours seven and eight a.m., the said John Byttfield and a certain Josias Raynescrofte . . . ., met in a certain field within the said parish called Foordes Close, and that after parleying together they then and there drew forth their swords and daggers, and made an affray with one another, in which affray the aforesaid Josias Raynescrofte with his sword gave the said John Byttfield on the fore part of his body a mortal blow, of which the said John then and there instantly died. G. D. R., 5 April, 29 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1587', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 169-175.

11 August, 21 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-postmortem, taken at the parish of St. Martin-in-the-Fields, on view of the body of Robert Lenewood of London yoman, then and there lying dead: With Verdict that, on the 10th inst. between four and five p.m., the said Robert Lenewood, and a certain Henry Farmor late of Westminster yoman and James Blinckinsopp late of the same city yoman were together at a house called The Quenes Head in the aforesaid parish, when they interchanged contumelious words; Whereupon the three went out of the house into the common street near Charing Crosse, and the same Robert Lenewood drawing his sword advanced on Henry Farmor, who drew out his sword quickly; and that forthwith the two with their swords, between the aforesaid hours, fought with one another in the common way, and in the affray Henry Farmor with his sword gave Robert Lenewood on the left side of his breast a mortal blow, of which the said Robert then and there died instantly: And That James Blinckinsopp with his sword drawn was then and there present, abetting and encouraging the said Henry to commit the said felony, and in this way and no other the said Henry and James killed and slew the said Robert. At his trial Henry Farmer "po se cul ca null, petit librum legit vt clericus et del." G. D. R., 7 Oct., 21 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1579', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 116-119.

7 April, 14 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at Fynnesbury on view of the body of John Stocker late of London shomaker, there lying dead: With verdict that, on the same day between two and three p.m., the said John Stocker was in the street called Bysshoppes Gate Streate within the city of London, together with a certain John Tyson late of London yoman and John Keys also late of London yoman, when the same John Stocker and John Tyson exchanged insulting words, after which speech John Tyson, having business to do at a certain house called the Red Lyone at Islington with a certain William Peirson of Buckby co. Hertford yoman and a certain John Knighte of the same parish and county, went off to Islington; and That, seeing whither he was going, John Stocker with malice lay in wait, to intercept and assault the same Tyson on his return; and That afterwards being together in Fynnesbury Feild the two men fought together, John Stocker having a sword in his right hand and a dagger in his left hand, whilst John Tyson had a sword in his right hand, and in his left hand a cloak; and That in the affray, thus fought between them in Fynnesbury Feild, John Tyson with his sword gave John Stocker under the left side of his breast a mortal wound, of which he then and there died instantly. G. D. R., 22 May, 14 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1572', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 73-78.

21 January, 31 Elizabeth.—True Bill that, at Maribone co. Midd. on the said day, Charles Wrenne late of London gentleman assaulted Robert Ratclyff and with a sword gave him a mortal blow, of which he then and there died instantly. On his arraignment Charles Wrenne put himself 'Not Guilty' of the felonious killing called "manslater," but 'Guilty' of killing the said Robert in self-defence. And afterwards at the Gaol Delivery, made on 14 May 31 Eliz., he produced the Queen's pardon under the Great Seal of England, dated 3 May 31 Eliz., and prayed that it might be allowed to him. G. D. R., 11 April, 31 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1589', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 182-189.

7 February, 31 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at St. John's-strete co. Midd. on view of the body of Nicholas Fawcett, there lying dead: With Verdict that, on the 8th of January 31 Eliz. between the hours two and three p.m., the said Nicholas Fawcett and a certain Sidrake Vere, late of London gentleman, were in St. John's Strete "in publica platea ibidem" when they exchanged insulting words, and then drew forth their swords and daggers, and made an affray with one another, in which affray Sidrake Vere with his sword gave Nicholas Fawcett on the fore part of his breast a mortal blow, from which he languished till the 15th of the said January, when he died of it.—The unusual length of the time between the fatal result and the date of the inquest is noteworthy. G. D. R., 11 April, 31 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1589', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 182-189.

8 October, 31 Elizabeth.—Coroner's Inquisition-post-mortem, taken at Shepparton co. Midd. on view of the body of Robert Wroote . . . . there lying dead: With Verdict that the said Robert Wroote and a certain Robert Wigges, each being armed and fighting with sword and dagger, made on 3 September 31 Eliz. an affray with one another at Shepparton aforesaid, in which affray the said Robert received from his adversary's sword a mortal wound, of which he languished from the said 3rd of Sept. to the 24th of the same month when he died thereof.—A fragmentary parchment. G. D. R., . . . . 31 Eliz.

From: 'Middlesex Sessions Rolls: 1589', Middlesex county records: Volume 1: 1550-1603 (1886), pp. 182-189.
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Galloglaich

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Here are some cool videos of missile weapons in use shot with a high speed (300 frames per second) camera, which I blundered across on http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=19403] My Armoury [/url]

What makes this particular interesting to me is you can see the physics of the weapon, notice the way the thong (the 'amentum') imparts a spin to the javelins for example.


Javelin with fixed amentum [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmPSKu6-TMM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmPSKu6-TMM[/ame]

Javelin with detaching amentum [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtCDobXr9Gg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtCDobXr9Gg[/ame]

Sling, showing axial-spun release of biconical bullet [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJjXXnDSB4s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJjXXnDSB4s[/ame]

Staff sling [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reEaUOTU1KI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reEaUOTU1KI[/ame]

Atlatl and dart [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik6_bRSmPJk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik6_bRSmPJk[/ame]

Archery [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TTI2DrfSLg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TTI2DrfSLg[/ame]

There is a lot more on slinging there as well.

here are the weapons which were used:

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