How do you go about making PC like enemies now?

[Kyrail]

Say I want a human rogue, or an Elven Paladin, whatever.

You don't make a PC character anymore right?

Not that they need to be "Rogues" per say in this case... human skirmisher would do, but it would be good to know if I had to make an NPC wizard for example.

NPC PC classes still just use PC progression?

 

[mattdm]

Say I want a human rogue, or an Elven Paladin, whatever.

You don't make a PC character anymore right?

You can if you want, but are encouraged not to unless there's a specific reason to go to all that work. For the typical case, instead use the Class Templates in the DMG — take a base monster of the race you want, bump up the level using the quick rules for increasing everything, and then throw the rogue or paladin template on top. Presto.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

Say I want a human rogue, or an Elven Paladin, whatever.

You don't make a PC character anymore right?

Not that they need to be "Rogues" per say in this case... human skirmisher would do, but it would be good to know if I had to make an NPC wizard for example.

NPC PC classes still just use PC progression?

Make an appropriate level NPC with the appropriate class template.

 

[Pierson_Lowgal]

DMG, Page 187, second paragraph, specifically addresses this.

...if you want stat out important villains like you would a PC.

 

[Vorpal Sword]

Check the DMG, page 187. It presents a nice set of rules for generating combat NPCs.

NPCs get a few extra hit points, to bring their life expectancy up to regular monsters. They get far fewer healing surges, though.
They get noticeably fewer powers than PCs--they won't live long enough to use the full menu of options.
They don't get feats; instead, they get an abstracted "level bonus" to defenses, attack rolls, and damage.
They don't need magic items unless you're handing out a specific piece of treasure to your players. See the "level bonus" again.

The end result is that NPCs are a lot easier and quicker to generate than in 3.x, and I don't think players will notice the difference.

EDIT: ninja'ed. Happens every time...

 

[Kyrail]

Thanks. I've read all through books cover to cover but its a bit hard to remember everything.

I knew there had to be an easy way, this is 4E after all.

 

[Vael]

The NPC generation system is pretty darn sweet. I built an Orc Wizard and then added the Devastator Template, and it didn't take too long, and his numbers match up with most of the monsters at his level.

 

[Jack Colby]

Say I want a human rogue, or an Elven Paladin, whatever.

You don't make a PC character anymore right?

Not that they need to be "Rogues" per say in this case... human skirmisher would do, but it would be good to know if I had to make an NPC wizard for example.

NPC PC classes still just use PC progression?

Are you a DM or aren't you? Make whatever you want! Why do you need permission from someone in Seattle?

 

[Kyrail]

Are you a DM or aren't you? Make whatever you want! Why do you need permission from someone in Seattle?

So I don't accidentally make an encounter that inadvertently kills everyone? I'm not honestly sure the difference between a rogue and "rogue" since I'm played twice now.

Anyway the intended ways have been tested for at least a year now , I'm sure they're the simplest way to get what I want. Rules are no hurdle for me, but I bought these books for a reason.

 

[Ashenboychild]

The problem i found with this was the xp value. According to the rules an NPC seems to just be a standard level monster, meaning that 'a fair challenge' is fighting 1 on 1 with near-identical enemies. Admittedly the PC's get second wind and action points, but the NPC's don't have to worry about wasting their dailies.

Just seems a bit strange coming from a game where a single NPC was supposed to be a fair challenge for 4 at-level enemies