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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9314586" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Again, I raise to you the general, in command of an army hierarchy, the example you assiduously avoided.</p><p></p><p>There are many times and situations where giving every single person a perfectly equal and ample opportunity to participate is not only unwise, it is <em>actively harmful to flourishing.</em> As CGP Grey put it in his pirate quartermaster video, battle is no time for democracy. There is a very good reason that even the most pro-democracy, pro-equality, etc. etc. organizations and governments have kept the idea of an executive office, a leader, someone who calls the shots. Because, even when you believe all are equal before the law and all should be afforded the same fundamental rights and respect, it is counterproductive and indeed <em>dangerous</em> to leave some things in the painfully slow churn of democracy when action is required, when decisions need to be made quickly and decisively.</p><p></p><p>Hence, your core claim, that to be good means you absolutely must be opposed to all hierarchy always, accepting what hierarchy exists only on a provisional, "we'll eliminate that later" basis, is fundamentally incorrect. It is <em>oppressive</em> hierarchy, as I said, that is the problem; hierarchy which considers some inherently worthy and others inherently unworthy, that strips away rights and privileges for light and transient reasons, that is incompatible.</p><p></p><p>And the hierarchy can run the other way, as well. There can be those who get denied common freedoms, not because they are inherently lesser, but because it genuinely protects sapient flourishing to do so. The most obvious example here is <em>children,</em> who are still given rights, but less than those of adults, because they are not ready for such rights. The mentally disabled or disturbed would be another such group. Those who have committed crimes, and been judged as meriting incarceration or death or enforced rehabilitation or the like, are necessarily subject to a hierarchy that places them at a lower rung than those who have the autonomy to not do those things.</p><p></p><p>It's not the <em>hierarchy</em> that is the problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9314586, member: 6790260"] Again, I raise to you the general, in command of an army hierarchy, the example you assiduously avoided. There are many times and situations where giving every single person a perfectly equal and ample opportunity to participate is not only unwise, it is [I]actively harmful to flourishing.[/I] As CGP Grey put it in his pirate quartermaster video, battle is no time for democracy. There is a very good reason that even the most pro-democracy, pro-equality, etc. etc. organizations and governments have kept the idea of an executive office, a leader, someone who calls the shots. Because, even when you believe all are equal before the law and all should be afforded the same fundamental rights and respect, it is counterproductive and indeed [I]dangerous[/I] to leave some things in the painfully slow churn of democracy when action is required, when decisions need to be made quickly and decisively. Hence, your core claim, that to be good means you absolutely must be opposed to all hierarchy always, accepting what hierarchy exists only on a provisional, "we'll eliminate that later" basis, is fundamentally incorrect. It is [I]oppressive[/I] hierarchy, as I said, that is the problem; hierarchy which considers some inherently worthy and others inherently unworthy, that strips away rights and privileges for light and transient reasons, that is incompatible. And the hierarchy can run the other way, as well. There can be those who get denied common freedoms, not because they are inherently lesser, but because it genuinely protects sapient flourishing to do so. The most obvious example here is [I]children,[/I] who are still given rights, but less than those of adults, because they are not ready for such rights. The mentally disabled or disturbed would be another such group. Those who have committed crimes, and been judged as meriting incarceration or death or enforced rehabilitation or the like, are necessarily subject to a hierarchy that places them at a lower rung than those who have the autonomy to not do those things. It's not the [I]hierarchy[/I] that is the problem. [/QUOTE]
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