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<blockquote data-quote="SBMC" data-source="post: 2458577" data-attributes="member: 30040"><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The issue is primarily driven by the fact that people think that all major abilities need to compound over levels such as the Barbarian's rage or the Rouge's sneak attack - not true at all. A stand alone ability is worth just as much. Most feats are stand alone abilities. Sure ya need other feats as prerequisites in many cases but mot are still stand alone - Power Attack is a prereq for Improved overrun; but Power Attack is not used when doing an Overrun.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This is a 20th Level Human Fighter (that also took 2 flaws giving him 21 feats):</span></span></p><p></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Weapon Focus - Long Sword</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Greater Weapon Focus - Long Sword</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Weapon Specialization - Long Sword</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Greater Weapon Specialization - Long Sword</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Improved Critical - Long Sword</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Power Attack</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Cleave</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Great Cleave</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Improved Overrun</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Improved Bull Rush</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Shock Trooper</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Iron Will</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Quick Draw</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Combat Reflexes</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Mounted Combat</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Ride by Attack</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Spirited Charge</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Combat Expertise</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Improved Trip</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Point Blank Shot</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Far Shot</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Flaw: Grudge Keeper</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Flaw: Glory-Hound</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Are you really going to tell me that an increased BAB is going to beat this? Not make him overpowered? Think about a combat situation - think about what this guy can do!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I could mix and match - even add in some non fighter feats and still destroy nearly anything in combat. I would take out Improved Overrun and Improved Trip (taking Improved Trip at 21st level) and replace them with Endurance and Leadership myself; as that is my personal taste and flavor I use for my own Fighter(s).</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SBMC, post: 2458577, member: 30040"] [color=white][font=Arial]The issue is primarily driven by the fact that people think that all major abilities need to compound over levels such as the Barbarian's rage or the Rouge's sneak attack - not true at all. A stand alone ability is worth just as much. Most feats are stand alone abilities. Sure ya need other feats as prerequisites in many cases but mot are still stand alone - Power Attack is a prereq for Improved overrun; but Power Attack is not used when doing an Overrun.[/font][/color] [color=white][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]This is a 20th Level Human Fighter (that also took 2 flaws giving him 21 feats):[/font][/color] [color=white][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Weapon Focus - Long Sword[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Greater Weapon Focus - Long Sword[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Weapon Specialization - Long Sword[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Greater Weapon Specialization - Long Sword[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Improved Critical - Long Sword[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Power Attack[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Cleave[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Great Cleave[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Improved Overrun[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Improved Bull Rush[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Shock Trooper[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Iron Will[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Quick Draw[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Combat Reflexes[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Mounted Combat[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Ride by Attack[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Spirited Charge[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Combat Expertise[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Improved Trip[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Point Blank Shot[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Far Shot[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Flaw: Grudge Keeper[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Flaw: Glory-Hound[/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]Are you really going to tell me that an increased BAB is going to beat this? Not make him overpowered? Think about a combat situation - think about what this guy can do![/font][/color] [color=white][font=Arial]I could mix and match - even add in some non fighter feats and still destroy nearly anything in combat. I would take out Improved Overrun and Improved Trip (taking Improved Trip at 21st level) and replace them with Endurance and Leadership myself; as that is my personal taste and flavor I use for my own Fighter(s).[/font][/color] [/QUOTE]
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