Immune to Dazed?

[Psimancer]

Our group is currently debating an issue, and I thought I would inject some external insight into the argument:

Is the fact that creatures immune to the Stunned condition (such as undead & constructs) are NOT immune to the Dazed condition either intentional, an oversight (that should be houseruled), or is incorrect (we are missing something)?


Thanks,

Psimancer

 

[Hypersmurf]

I don't know if it's intentional or an oversight, but it's not incorrect... save to note that the majority of things that can induce the Dazed condition are [Mind-Affecting], and undead and constructs are immune to those.

A Daze spell, for example, will have no effect on a Shield Guardian; a Blasphemy spell, on the other hand, could Daze it, since the spell is not [Mind-Affecting].

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

Luckily, said clay golem can't be affected by blasphemy anyway. Curse Bless you, magic immunity!

 

[Hypersmurf]

Luckily, said clay golem can't be affected by blasphemy anyway. Curse Bless you, magic immunity!

What's a clay golem got to do with a shield guardian?

-Hyp.

 

[Psimancer]

I don't know if it's intentional or an oversight, but it's not incorrect... save to note that the majority of things that can induce the Dazed condition are [Mind-Affecting], and undead and constructs are immune to those.

The only creature type I can think of, of the top of my head, that is affected by [Mind-Affecting] and is Immune to Stunning would be an Elemental...

 

[Angelus789]

Our group is currently debating an issue, and I thought I would inject some external insight into the argument:

Is the fact that creatures immune to the Stunned condition (such as undead & constructs) are NOT immune to the Dazed condition either intentional, an oversight (that should be houseruled), or is incorrect (we are missing something)?


Thanks,

Psimancer

Take care of the following loophole though:

A typical exploitable loophole here would be to have all undead spellcasters of a high enough level use the Celerity spells from PHB2. Said spells (which are cast as an Immediate action) and grant the caster either a move-, standard- or full action, with the cost of becoming dazed until the end of his/her next turn.

I'd recommend interpreting that as "becoming affected as 'dazed' until the end of......"