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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8974247" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>I'll give me review below</p><p></p><p>[Spoiler]</p><p>Overall....I loved this movie. It was a hell of a ride, and John Wick just John Wicked the hell out of it. I was extremely entertained. Now lets dig in.</p><p></p><p>The Good</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Use of Armor: I love how armor is actually a thing in this universe, and it actually WORKS. Now that John is handling the upper class enforcers he has to deal with even mooks with bulletproof suits, and having to work around that creates a great dynamic flow for several of the fights. But they don't go overboard, mixing it up so its not all armor all the time now.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Great fights: For those who saw Matrix 4 and worried that the fights would be stilted affairs....take heart. Keanu (and Keanu's stunt double) are back in form, with lots of neat fights using new styles, new weapons, new awesome.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Neat camera work: There are a lot of interesting shots in this one, including an overhead shot as John clears out a building that creates an interesting perspective.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Villain: The villains are solid in this one, from the super smug Marquis, to the former friend that might still be a friend assassin trying to kill him. They get good characterization.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lots of neat scenes: they have fights in all sorts of awesome places, my favorite being in the Paris Arc roundabout, creating a crazy fight with cars.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The scenes are allowed to breathe: In an era where its "go go go" all the time, the movie has the confidence to let some of its scenes slow down and breathe, to build up tension and let the audience enjoy the art that is several of the scenes.</li> </ul><p>The Bad</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fights can get repetitive. There is only so many times I need to see John flip a guy and take him out at this point. Some of the fights have a couple mook too many, they could have trimmed a bit off the top and tightened the movie better.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The "Crush" Problem: John Wick has never been realistic, John has action hero levels of durability. But the movie takes that a biiiit too far in this one. There are times where John gets brutally smashed into a car (like crumbling the car amounts of damage), or even falls from a 2 story height and just brutally slams on the floor (and like Black Widow they don't hide it or soften it with the sound, its bone crushing sound). While they at least have the courtesy of having Wick get stunned for a moment, he ultimately has no lingering injuries from it. Wick has almost been tough, but has never shown this level of durability before.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Club Scene: Do they know or don't know? - One oddity in previous John Wick movies, there are several scenes in public where shots are being fired and people don't react at all. But with the mystique of the Wickverse, you could argue everything from hypnosis to the assassins are invisible to normal people, etc. The club scene to me breaks this because on the one hand, you have people literally keep dancing while wick and some others are throwing axes and fighting not 2 feet from them. But then you do have people stop, take note, look concerned, and run away. So which is it..... if Wick assassins are so mystical that no one notices them, fine....I'm here for the ride I'll go with it. If their fights cause a big scene, sure, makes sense. But you need to choose, and it felt really weird to have both happening in the same scene.</li> </ul><p>The Ending</p><p></p><p>I am torn on the ending, which maybe is the point. Now a number of people are saying "Wick's alive, he faked his death", and the answer is..... "he did if there's a sequel". But to me its clear the intention is that Wick is dead and this is the end of the John Wick movies. So Wick dies a free man, having challenged the table and won. But on the other....he's dead and the table did ultimately kill him. For all his struggle, John changed nothing....and got a lot of people killed (including friends).</p><p></p><p>The ultimately solution may come in spinoffs, the Wickverse is just so interesting that it begs for a spin-off series (I know the Continental was supposed to be one but I think that was canned?). In a spinoff where Wick has become legend and his actions spark a revolution against the table.... alright John lives on as a martyr and his quest had true purpose. Otherwise.... you could argue that his quest was meaningless.[/Spoiler]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8974247, member: 5889"] I'll give me review below [Spoiler] Overall....I loved this movie. It was a hell of a ride, and John Wick just John Wicked the hell out of it. I was extremely entertained. Now lets dig in. The Good [LIST] [*]Use of Armor: I love how armor is actually a thing in this universe, and it actually WORKS. Now that John is handling the upper class enforcers he has to deal with even mooks with bulletproof suits, and having to work around that creates a great dynamic flow for several of the fights. But they don't go overboard, mixing it up so its not all armor all the time now. [*]Great fights: For those who saw Matrix 4 and worried that the fights would be stilted affairs....take heart. Keanu (and Keanu's stunt double) are back in form, with lots of neat fights using new styles, new weapons, new awesome. [*]Neat camera work: There are a lot of interesting shots in this one, including an overhead shot as John clears out a building that creates an interesting perspective. [*]Villain: The villains are solid in this one, from the super smug Marquis, to the former friend that might still be a friend assassin trying to kill him. They get good characterization. [*]Lots of neat scenes: they have fights in all sorts of awesome places, my favorite being in the Paris Arc roundabout, creating a crazy fight with cars. [*]The scenes are allowed to breathe: In an era where its "go go go" all the time, the movie has the confidence to let some of its scenes slow down and breathe, to build up tension and let the audience enjoy the art that is several of the scenes. [/LIST] The Bad [LIST] [*]Fights can get repetitive. There is only so many times I need to see John flip a guy and take him out at this point. Some of the fights have a couple mook too many, they could have trimmed a bit off the top and tightened the movie better. [*]The "Crush" Problem: John Wick has never been realistic, John has action hero levels of durability. But the movie takes that a biiiit too far in this one. There are times where John gets brutally smashed into a car (like crumbling the car amounts of damage), or even falls from a 2 story height and just brutally slams on the floor (and like Black Widow they don't hide it or soften it with the sound, its bone crushing sound). While they at least have the courtesy of having Wick get stunned for a moment, he ultimately has no lingering injuries from it. Wick has almost been tough, but has never shown this level of durability before. [*]The Club Scene: Do they know or don't know? - One oddity in previous John Wick movies, there are several scenes in public where shots are being fired and people don't react at all. But with the mystique of the Wickverse, you could argue everything from hypnosis to the assassins are invisible to normal people, etc. The club scene to me breaks this because on the one hand, you have people literally keep dancing while wick and some others are throwing axes and fighting not 2 feet from them. But then you do have people stop, take note, look concerned, and run away. So which is it..... if Wick assassins are so mystical that no one notices them, fine....I'm here for the ride I'll go with it. If their fights cause a big scene, sure, makes sense. But you need to choose, and it felt really weird to have both happening in the same scene. [/LIST] The Ending I am torn on the ending, which maybe is the point. Now a number of people are saying "Wick's alive, he faked his death", and the answer is..... "he did if there's a sequel". But to me its clear the intention is that Wick is dead and this is the end of the John Wick movies. So Wick dies a free man, having challenged the table and won. But on the other....he's dead and the table did ultimately kill him. For all his struggle, John changed nothing....and got a lot of people killed (including friends). The ultimately solution may come in spinoffs, the Wickverse is just so interesting that it begs for a spin-off series (I know the Continental was supposed to be one but I think that was canned?). In a spinoff where Wick has become legend and his actions spark a revolution against the table.... alright John lives on as a martyr and his quest had true purpose. Otherwise.... you could argue that his quest was meaningless.[/Spoiler] [/QUOTE]
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