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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 1631549" data-attributes="member: 812"><p>Yes. I'm talking about making the film more emotionally powerful.</p><p></p><p>Had Helm's Deep been scarier, had Eowyn's moment against the Witchking been stronger, and had the final stand at the Black Gate been bleaker, the films would have been better.</p><p></p><p>Note that I'm not saying that in all cases the answer was to follow Tolkien slavishly. I'm not upset that they altered things. But I do think that in each of those cases, what Tolkien wrote would have been more powerful, more appealing to a broader audience (okay not "dwimmerlaik", but COME ON) and simpler than what they tried to accomplish.</p><p></p><p>I would not characterise myself as anti-mainstream. I characterize myself as anti-what-I-don't-like. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>But I like plenty of popular stuff.</p><p></p><p>I'll bet you the speeches they had the most trouble with AREN'T Tolkien's. It's like JD is saying -- the stuff that sounds really archaic and "wrong" is the stuff that the writers added.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying use every line Tolkien ever wrote. I'm saying that his good dialog is more than good enough to make a great movie out of, and many of the memorable lines in the movies (if not all of them) are his.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying make movies that reproduce every detail in the books. I'm observing that the moments where the movies fall flat are the moments where it deviates from the books -- which is kind of interesting. It doesn't follow, and I'm not pretending that it follows, that every time they deviate from the books the movies get bad. The writers created some good moments -- I think using Arwen in the flight to the ford was a good move. I think making things a little harder for Faramir was a good move. I think not having Aragorn reveal himself until the Paths of the Dead was a good move. I don't think the latter two ideas were as well executed as they needed to be, but I don't think the ideas themselves were crazy.</p><p></p><p>But I do say that every bad moment in the movies comes at a time where Tolkien's vision is not being used to drive the story. Where his dialog is not being used, or his plotting, or his storytelling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 1631549, member: 812"] Yes. I'm talking about making the film more emotionally powerful. Had Helm's Deep been scarier, had Eowyn's moment against the Witchking been stronger, and had the final stand at the Black Gate been bleaker, the films would have been better. Note that I'm not saying that in all cases the answer was to follow Tolkien slavishly. I'm not upset that they altered things. But I do think that in each of those cases, what Tolkien wrote would have been more powerful, more appealing to a broader audience (okay not "dwimmerlaik", but COME ON) and simpler than what they tried to accomplish. I would not characterise myself as anti-mainstream. I characterize myself as anti-what-I-don't-like. :D But I like plenty of popular stuff. I'll bet you the speeches they had the most trouble with AREN'T Tolkien's. It's like JD is saying -- the stuff that sounds really archaic and "wrong" is the stuff that the writers added. I'm not saying use every line Tolkien ever wrote. I'm saying that his good dialog is more than good enough to make a great movie out of, and many of the memorable lines in the movies (if not all of them) are his. I'm not saying make movies that reproduce every detail in the books. I'm observing that the moments where the movies fall flat are the moments where it deviates from the books -- which is kind of interesting. It doesn't follow, and I'm not pretending that it follows, that every time they deviate from the books the movies get bad. The writers created some good moments -- I think using Arwen in the flight to the ford was a good move. I think making things a little harder for Faramir was a good move. I think not having Aragorn reveal himself until the Paths of the Dead was a good move. I don't think the latter two ideas were as well executed as they needed to be, but I don't think the ideas themselves were crazy. But I do say that every bad moment in the movies comes at a time where Tolkien's vision is not being used to drive the story. Where his dialog is not being used, or his plotting, or his storytelling. [/QUOTE]
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