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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6767672" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>This deserves a much more vigorous response than I have in me with a much less respectful tone than I'm going to give you. But here you go:</p><p></p><p>1) I don't have any idea what would fuel the weird irrational contempt that taints your first paragraph here. Any autobiographical information about myself that you would like to mock is utterly irrelevant to the question of "Can we play Kara Tur/OA with the 4e ruleset (PC build rules, mechanics, et al) as is or do we need to make up several distinct classes, resolution mechanics, and gear?"</p><p></p><p>2) Kara Tur/OA is <strong><em><u>pulp </u></em></strong>feudal Japan incorporating several <em>related </em>items of mythology; shape-shifting cats, demonic/spiritual entities like the Tengu and Karasu-Tengu, witches/hags, all sorts of mystics/magics, angry spirits/ghosts, the dragon/Ryuu, the creation myth, emperor legends. It is not <strong><em><u>real </u></em></strong>feudal Japan. Nonetheless, it loosely poaches its martial genre conflicts from the source material with shoguns, their daimyo, their samurai et al. </p><p></p><p>3) Thank you for the condescension-laden, random personal-attack-infused education, but it isn't remotely necessary. I'm fairly well-learned in the feudal history of Japan through the Edo period. I know exactly what Samurai were in our real world and I know exactly how that real world informed the PC builds mechanics (and Honor mechanics) of OA and Kara Tur. Did I choose Myamoto Musashi as the source material for my (very rough PC build outlline) above? Of course I did? BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY WESTERN NERD WHO WANTS TO PLAY A SAMURAI WANTS TO BE MYAMOTO MUSASHI. Not because I'm dense. Not because I'm an ignorant (elitist?) Floridian who chose whatever stupid handle for serious business D&D foruming that I chose.</p><p></p><p>4) I can't put different builds together right now (I don't have Silverlight on here), but you could easily use several different chassis for the various Samurai archetypes out there. You could use straight Warlord. You could use straight Fighter. You could certainly use Ranger. You could use Monk. You could hybrid any of the above. You should probably have stout Diplomacy and Intimidate to reflect (a) your presence/force of will and (b) your caste (or a good reason not to). You should have weapon proficiency in a vast array of weapons; katana, wakizashi, tanto, yumi, naginata, jo/bo (heavy blades, light blades, polearms, staffs, bows). You should have something to reflect Iaijutsu. You should be a good horseman/archer. You should have proficiency in lamellar armor and possibly plate. Your Power Source should be a fusion of Martial/Ki (Psionic in 4e). You should likely have an elevated Streetwise, History, Endurance, Athletics. Possibly Nature if you can scrounge it out. You should have Utility Powers that reflect your steely will, resolve, fearlessness, influence, and the awe you inspire.</p><p></p><p>[HR][/HR]</p><p></p><p>Maybe you can apologize for your weirdly disrespectful post to a complete stranger on the internet? I'd be glad to talk about Kara Tur/OA and the way 4e does or does not meet the demands of the thematic material. Conversely, you can put me on ignore. Your choice. But I'm not going to get worked up over serious business Samurai meets D&D stuff enough to go back and forth with angry screeds laced with (strange) personal attacks at internet randos. I've actually had bad stuff happen to me in life to give me a little perspective... </p><p></p><p>[sblock]such as fighting a failing battle with brain cancer for two long, GD-awful years with the most beloved, most revered, and most respected person in my life only to watch them degrade and perish in the most terrible way imaginable...dying horribly and unceremoniously as the world spends its time posting narcissistic selfies, furiously masturbating over celebrity affairs...and apparently getting worked up over weird misperceptions of (elitist?) people in Florida who have silly handles (because that is also serious business...and its a fusion of Manbearpig from South Park and the World of Warcraft Druid!) because they are (not actually) ignorant when it comes to OMG SAMURAI.[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6767672, member: 6696971"] This deserves a much more vigorous response than I have in me with a much less respectful tone than I'm going to give you. But here you go: 1) I don't have any idea what would fuel the weird irrational contempt that taints your first paragraph here. Any autobiographical information about myself that you would like to mock is utterly irrelevant to the question of "Can we play Kara Tur/OA with the 4e ruleset (PC build rules, mechanics, et al) as is or do we need to make up several distinct classes, resolution mechanics, and gear?" 2) Kara Tur/OA is [B][I][U]pulp [/U][/I][/B]feudal Japan incorporating several [I]related [/I]items of mythology; shape-shifting cats, demonic/spiritual entities like the Tengu and Karasu-Tengu, witches/hags, all sorts of mystics/magics, angry spirits/ghosts, the dragon/Ryuu, the creation myth, emperor legends. It is not [B][I][U]real [/U][/I][/B]feudal Japan. Nonetheless, it loosely poaches its martial genre conflicts from the source material with shoguns, their daimyo, their samurai et al. 3) Thank you for the condescension-laden, random personal-attack-infused education, but it isn't remotely necessary. I'm fairly well-learned in the feudal history of Japan through the Edo period. I know exactly what Samurai were in our real world and I know exactly how that real world informed the PC builds mechanics (and Honor mechanics) of OA and Kara Tur. Did I choose Myamoto Musashi as the source material for my (very rough PC build outlline) above? Of course I did? BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY WESTERN NERD WHO WANTS TO PLAY A SAMURAI WANTS TO BE MYAMOTO MUSASHI. Not because I'm dense. Not because I'm an ignorant (elitist?) Floridian who chose whatever stupid handle for serious business D&D foruming that I chose. 4) I can't put different builds together right now (I don't have Silverlight on here), but you could easily use several different chassis for the various Samurai archetypes out there. You could use straight Warlord. You could use straight Fighter. You could certainly use Ranger. You could use Monk. You could hybrid any of the above. You should probably have stout Diplomacy and Intimidate to reflect (a) your presence/force of will and (b) your caste (or a good reason not to). You should have weapon proficiency in a vast array of weapons; katana, wakizashi, tanto, yumi, naginata, jo/bo (heavy blades, light blades, polearms, staffs, bows). You should have something to reflect Iaijutsu. You should be a good horseman/archer. You should have proficiency in lamellar armor and possibly plate. Your Power Source should be a fusion of Martial/Ki (Psionic in 4e). You should likely have an elevated Streetwise, History, Endurance, Athletics. Possibly Nature if you can scrounge it out. You should have Utility Powers that reflect your steely will, resolve, fearlessness, influence, and the awe you inspire. [HR][/HR] Maybe you can apologize for your weirdly disrespectful post to a complete stranger on the internet? I'd be glad to talk about Kara Tur/OA and the way 4e does or does not meet the demands of the thematic material. Conversely, you can put me on ignore. Your choice. But I'm not going to get worked up over serious business Samurai meets D&D stuff enough to go back and forth with angry screeds laced with (strange) personal attacks at internet randos. I've actually had bad stuff happen to me in life to give me a little perspective... [sblock]such as fighting a failing battle with brain cancer for two long, GD-awful years with the most beloved, most revered, and most respected person in my life only to watch them degrade and perish in the most terrible way imaginable...dying horribly and unceremoniously as the world spends its time posting narcissistic selfies, furiously masturbating over celebrity affairs...and apparently getting worked up over weird misperceptions of (elitist?) people in Florida who have silly handles (because that is also serious business...and its a fusion of Manbearpig from South Park and the World of Warcraft Druid!) because they are (not actually) ignorant when it comes to OMG SAMURAI.[/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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