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<blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 4520276" data-attributes="member: 23619"><p>The differences are:</p><p></p><p>1) Mine is just to cover/eliminate the LA of a race. So far. SS factors in the whole ECL. I'm not looking at that yet. I'm concerned with PC races with LA, not so much those with RHD right now. </p><p></p><p>Case in point: Duergar. LA +1 race. Their abilities should be LA +2 with all their immunities and innate abilities. Spread their powers (anything not covered by the "dwarf" racial abilities) out over 2 levels and by level 3 make them take a Racial level where they gain no bonus to BAB, Saves, HD or any special abilities. Instead, they gain a small amount of skill points and hit points based on their Int and Con modifiers to keep them "on par" with other characters at the same level. They do not gain any special abilities during their Racial level. </p><p></p><p>Spreading the abilities out means you can play a 1st level Duergar with other LA +0 races. They get some Duergar abilities, but not all of them and their power level remains roughly the same as any other race/class. After 4th level, they may be 1 class level behind the other players, but their racial abilities compensate for that without overpowering them or having their LA adjustment leave them underpowered during those first three levels where ALL players are vulnerable to a quick death. </p><p></p><p>2) SS does nothing to solve the problem of LA or CR or ECL. In fact, its method hinges on those broken things. </p><p></p><p>Ex: A Mind Flayer is a 15 level "class" in SS. However, in a 15th level group, that Mind Flayer is still only a CR 9, 8HD monster who is going to get slaughtered by even a minor encounter for a 15th level group. His skills are not going to be on par with the group, he's going to have fewer feats and his abilities are going to be easily resisted by creatures with 6HD or more (give or take). </p><p></p><p>As a LA 7 creature. I'd probably do something like spreading his abilities out over 7 levels and make him take a Racial Level every even level or something. That way, by 15th level, he would have all of his racial powers, HD special abilities, and 8 class levels that would keep him on the same power level as a 15th level character/monster. </p><p></p><p>But this gets into the monster levels which I'm not exactly sure how that works out with this method, but at face value it seems valid.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawken, post: 4520276, member: 23619"] The differences are: 1) Mine is just to cover/eliminate the LA of a race. So far. SS factors in the whole ECL. I'm not looking at that yet. I'm concerned with PC races with LA, not so much those with RHD right now. Case in point: Duergar. LA +1 race. Their abilities should be LA +2 with all their immunities and innate abilities. Spread their powers (anything not covered by the "dwarf" racial abilities) out over 2 levels and by level 3 make them take a Racial level where they gain no bonus to BAB, Saves, HD or any special abilities. Instead, they gain a small amount of skill points and hit points based on their Int and Con modifiers to keep them "on par" with other characters at the same level. They do not gain any special abilities during their Racial level. Spreading the abilities out means you can play a 1st level Duergar with other LA +0 races. They get some Duergar abilities, but not all of them and their power level remains roughly the same as any other race/class. After 4th level, they may be 1 class level behind the other players, but their racial abilities compensate for that without overpowering them or having their LA adjustment leave them underpowered during those first three levels where ALL players are vulnerable to a quick death. 2) SS does nothing to solve the problem of LA or CR or ECL. In fact, its method hinges on those broken things. Ex: A Mind Flayer is a 15 level "class" in SS. However, in a 15th level group, that Mind Flayer is still only a CR 9, 8HD monster who is going to get slaughtered by even a minor encounter for a 15th level group. His skills are not going to be on par with the group, he's going to have fewer feats and his abilities are going to be easily resisted by creatures with 6HD or more (give or take). As a LA 7 creature. I'd probably do something like spreading his abilities out over 7 levels and make him take a Racial Level every even level or something. That way, by 15th level, he would have all of his racial powers, HD special abilities, and 8 class levels that would keep him on the same power level as a 15th level character/monster. But this gets into the monster levels which I'm not exactly sure how that works out with this method, but at face value it seems valid. [/QUOTE]
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