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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3812190" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>Oh, I see what you thought. No, no, you have it backwards. (also I left out "from the PHB" in that one post, though I've mentioned it before in regards to Martin)</p><p></p><p>I don't want Vancian style. I want his casting to be very M&M style on the use, but D&D style on the effects. Also, note that Magus is limited to PHB D&D spells of 4th-level and below. I should say, that is actually quite a massive limiter--and by design! Even if we assume that the PHB D&D spells represent the set of all effects (and I don't), 0-4th level magic is exactly half of that (and the weaker half of it by design). Since half (and not necessarily the weaker half!) as a rule of thumb is the design principle around Limited, I think that it is a more than fair Limited. If a player in my home game came to me with that Limited, I would give them at least the Flaw, and maybe an extra point or two extra for a Drawback (since it is clearly not enough for a -2 flaw yet). I'm not asking for that though. Not even giving a -1 Limited for that is ridiculous--if that's the case, I might as well not have a limit at all and just pay the extra points.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3812190, member: 29014"] Oh, I see what you thought. No, no, you have it backwards. (also I left out "from the PHB" in that one post, though I've mentioned it before in regards to Martin) I don't want Vancian style. I want his casting to be very M&M style on the use, but D&D style on the effects. Also, note that Magus is limited to PHB D&D spells of 4th-level and below. I should say, that is actually quite a massive limiter--and by design! Even if we assume that the PHB D&D spells represent the set of all effects (and I don't), 0-4th level magic is exactly half of that (and the weaker half of it by design). Since half (and not necessarily the weaker half!) as a rule of thumb is the design principle around Limited, I think that it is a more than fair Limited. If a player in my home game came to me with that Limited, I would give them at least the Flaw, and maybe an extra point or two extra for a Drawback (since it is clearly not enough for a -2 flaw yet). I'm not asking for that though. Not even giving a -1 Limited for that is ridiculous--if that's the case, I might as well not have a limit at all and just pay the extra points. [/QUOTE]
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