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<blockquote data-quote="Hand of Vecna" data-source="post: 3813075" data-attributes="member: 755"><p>In the interests of not appearing totally negative/destructiove, let's go through and see what <em>can</em> be done with "Only Sor/Wiz spells of 4th level or lower," using the powers from the M&M 2E Core Book (and skipping the A's, since they've already been covered):</p><p></p><p><strong>Blast</strong>: <em>Magic missile</em> (Perception Blast, with ranks in Split Attack), <em>Fireball</em> (Explosion Blast), <em>Lightning Bolt</em> (Line Area Touch Range Blast), <em>Shout</em> (Cone Area Touch Range Blast, with Linked Cone Area Touch Range Auditory Dazzle)</p><p><strong>Boost</strong>: <em>Bear’s Endurance</em> (Boost Con 4, Total Fade, various ranks in Slow Fade), <em>Bull’s Strength</em> (Boost Str), <em>Cat’s Grace</em> (Boost Dex), <em>Eagle’s Splendor</em> (Boosts Cha), <em>Fox’s Cunning</em> (Boosts Int), <em>Owl’s Wisdom</em> (Boosts Wis), <em>Flame Arrow</em> (Boost Blast, only Blasts defined as slow projectiles)</p><p><strong>Burrowing</strong>: Hunh, <em>Passwall</em> is 5th level. Possible via <em>Polymorph</em> of self into some burrowing critter.</p><p><strong>Cold Control</strong>: Another one with no real D&D equivalent, at any level (not in PHB, at least)</p><p><strong>Communication</strong>: <em>Whispering Wind</em> </p><p><strong>Comprehend</strong>: <em>Comprehend Languages</em> and <em>Tongues</em></p><p><strong>Concealment</strong>: <em>Invisibility</em> and <em>Invisibility Sphere</em>,, and possibly <em>Blur</em> and <em>Displacement</em></p><p><strong>Confuse</strong>: <em>Confusion</em></p><p><strong>Corrosion</strong>: <em>Rusting Grasp</em> is the only one I can find, but it's a Druid (Divine) spell.</p><p><strong>Cosmic Energy Control</strong>: Is a fancy type of Blast (see above).</p><p><strong>Create Object</strong>: <em>Minor Creation</em>, <em>Secure Shelter</em>, <em>Resilient Sphere</em></p><p><strong>Darkness Control</strong>: <em>Darkness</em></p><p><strong>Datalink</strong>: Do I really need to say it?</p><p><strong>Dazzle</strong>: <em>Blindness/Deafness</em>, and the aforementioned <em>Shout</em>. And potentially <em>Stinking Cloud</em>.</p><p><strong>Deflect</strong>: <em>Wind Wall</em></p><p><strong>Density</strong>: Also not seeing a D&D PHB equivalent.</p><p><strong>Device</strong>: Really don't think this should be allowable as something a Variable Power can allow anyway.</p><p><strong>Dimensional Pocket</strong>: <em>Rope Trick</em></p><p><strong>Disintegration</strong>: Not 'till 6th level.</p><p><strong>Drain</strong>: <em>Chill Touch (Strike with Linked Drain Str), <em>Ray of Enfeeblement</em> (Ranged Drain Str), <em>Bestow Curse</em> (could be done as Drain), <em>Contagion</em> (Disease Drain), <em>Enervation</em> (Drain All Traits), <em>Tough of Idiocy</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Duplication</strong>: Nope</em></p><p><em><strong>Electricity Control</strong>: Is the same as Blast (see above).</em></p><p><em><strong>(Elemental) Control</strong>: Air Control as <em>Gust of Wind</em>. Earth Control as <em>Stone Shape</em>.</em></p><p><em><strong>Elongation</strong>: Nada</em></p><p><em><strong>Emotion Control</strong>: <em>Charm Person</em> and <em>Charm Monster</em>, <em>Rage</em>, <em>Crushing Despair</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Enhanced Ability</strong>: Could potentially be used for the first six buffing spells mentioned under Boost. Enhanced Feats (Improved Critical) for <em>Keen Edge</em>.</em></p><p><em><strong>Environmental Control</strong>: <em>Daylight</em> (light), <em>Sleet Storm</em> and <em>Solid Fog</em> (hamper movement effect, and Linked Limited Visual Obscure)</em></p><p><em><strong>ESP</strong>: <em>Clairaudience/Clairvoyance</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Fatigue</strong>: <em>Deep Slumber</em>, <em>Ray of Exhaustion</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Flight</strong>: <em>Fly</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Force Field</strong>: <em>Mage Armor</em>, and <em>Stoneskin</em> could be a Continues Impervious Fade Force Field.</em></p><p><em><strong>Friction Control</strong>: No real D&D equivalent anywhere (but I really cannot think of any comic book or fantasy mage who's used magic to mimic this particular ability)</em></p><p><em><strong>Gestalt</strong>: No, not really.</em></p><p><em><strong>Gravity Control</strong>: <em>Reverse Gravity</em>'s 7th level</em></p><p><em><strong>Growth</strong>: <em>Enlarge Person</em> and <em>Mass Enlarge Person</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Healing</strong>: Not an Arcane spell in D&D PHB.</em></p><p><em><strong>Hellfire Control</strong>: Not a spell in the D&D PHB.</em></p><p><em><strong>Illusion</strong>: <em>Silent Image</em>, <em>Major Image</em>, <em>Hallucinatory Terrain</em>, and <em>Illusory Wall</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Immunity</strong>: Limited form for <em>Resist Energy</em> and <em>Protection from Energy</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Insubstantial</strong>: <em>Gaseous Form</em> is Insubstantial 2.</em></p><p><em><strong>Invisibility</strong>: See Concealment.</em></p><p><em><strong>Kinetic Control</strong>: Base effect is Blast, so see above.</em></p><p><em><strong>Leaping</strong>: <em>Jump</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Life Control</strong>: effect is to nauseate folks, which <em>Stinking Cloud</em> can do.</em></p><p><em><strong>Light Control</strong>: See Environmental Control, above.</em></p><p><em><strong>Luck Control</strong>: Not seeing an equivalent in any D&D book.</em></p><p><em><strong>Magic</strong>: Is what he'd be doing. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></em></p><p><em><strong>Magnetic Control</strong>: None I can find at 4th level or below.</em></p><p><em><strong>Mental Blast</strong>: Is more of an Expanded Psionics Handbook thing.</em></p><p><em><strong>Mimic (Trait)</strong>: Has no real equivalent in D&D (that I'm aware of, anyway), and again I'm not so keen on having one Variable Thing being used to create another Variable Thing.</em></p><p><em><strong>Mind Control</strong>: <em>Lesser Geas</em> (along with some sort of Linked Drain)</em></p><p><em><strong>Mind Reading</strong>: <em>Detect Thoughts</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Mind Shield</strong>: <em>Nondetection</em> covers some aspect of that.</em></p><p><em><strong>Mind Switch</strong>: No real equivalent in PHB.</em></p><p><em><strong>Morph</strong>: <em>Disguise Self</em>, possibly <em>Alter Self</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Nauseate</strong>: <em>Stinking Cloud</em>, possibly.</em></p><p><em><strong>Nemesis</strong>: See Mimic, above.</em></p><p><em><strong>Nullify (Power)</strong>: <em>Dispel Magic</em>, and <em>Dimensional Anchor</em> would be a Nullifying Teleport Field.</em></p><p><em><strong>Object Mimicry</strong>: See Mimic, above.</em></p><p><em><strong>Obscure</strong>: <em>Darkness</em>, <em>Pyrotechnics</em> (w/ Linked Suffocate)</em></p><p><em><strong>Paralyze</strong>: <em>Hold Person</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Plant Control</strong>: More of a Druid thing.</em></p><p><em><strong>Plasma Control</strong>: See Friction Control, above.</em></p><p><em><strong>Possession</strong>: <em>Soul Jar</em>'s a 5th level spell.</em></p><p><em><strong>Power Control</strong>: Not in D&D PHB.</em></p><p><em><strong>Protection</strong>: Possible for <em>Mage Armor</em> or <em>Stoneskin</em>.</em></p><p><em><strong>Quickness</strong>: Not in D&D PHB.</em></p><p><em><strong>Radiation Control</strong>: See Friction Control, above.</em></p><p><em><strong>Regeneration</strong>: Not an Arcane thing.</em></p><p><em><strong>Sensory Shield</strong>: Not in D&D PHB.</em></p><p><em><strong>Shapeshift</strong>: <em>Polymorph</em>, if cast on self, butt hat would just as easily be done with Enhanced Traits and other powers. And, again,not keen on having one Variable Thing in another.</em></p><p><em><strong>Shield</strong>: <em>Shield</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Shrinking</strong>: <em>Reduce Person</em>, <em>Mass Reduce Person</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Snare</strong>: Some aspects of <em>Animate Rope</em> fall under this, yes. As does <em>Black Tentacles</em>.</em></p><p><em><strong>Sonic Control</strong>: <em>Shout</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Space Travel</strong>: WotC stopped caring about Spelljammer looong ago.</em></p><p><em><strong>Spatial Control</strong>: See Teleport, below.</em></p><p><em><strong>Speed</strong>: <em>Expeditious Retreat</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Spinning</strong>: Nada.</em></p><p><em><strong>Strike</strong>: <em>Chill Touch</em>, <em>Vampiric Touch</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Stun</strong>: <em>Daze Monster</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Suffocate</strong>: <em>Pyrotechnics</em> (w/ Linked Obscure)</em></p><p><em><strong>Summon (Minion)</strong>: <em>Summon Monster I-IV</em> (a lion, 3 black bears or 3 small elementals, 5 eagles), and <em>Unseen Servant</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Super-Movement</strong>: <em>Spider Climb</em> for Wall Crawling. <em>Featherfall</em> for Slow Fall.</em></p><p><em><strong>Super-Senses</strong>: <em>Detect Poison</em>, <em>Detect Magic</em>, <em>Detect Undead</em>, <em>See Invisibility</em>, <em>Darkvision</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Super-Speed</strong>: Could be tweaked to get something close to <em>Haste</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Super-Strength</strong>: No real equivalent in D&D.</em></p><p><em><strong>Swimming</strong>: Possible via <em>Polymorph</em> of self into some swimming critter.</em></p><p><em><strong>Telekinesis</strong>: Not 'till 5th level.</em></p><p><em><strong>Telepathy</strong>: Not 'till 5th level (<em>Telepathic Bond</em>, and even that could be Super-Senses [Communication Link])</em></p><p><em><strong>Teleport</strong>: <em>Dimension Door</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Time Control</strong>: No real D&D equivalent.</em></p><p><em><strong>Transfer</strong>: No Arcane equivalent</em></p><p><em><strong>Transform</strong>: <em>Erase</em>, <em>Arcane Mark</em>, and <em>Prestidigitation</em> could all fall under here.</em></p><p><em><strong>Trip</strong>: <em>Grease</em> and <em>Gust of Wind</em></em></p><p><em><strong>Vibration Control</strong>: See Friction Control, above.</em></p><p><em><strong>Weather Control</strong>: Not <em>Control Weather</em> <em>per se</em>, but see Environmental Control and Obscure, above.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>(whew!)</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hand of Vecna, post: 3813075, member: 755"] In the interests of not appearing totally negative/destructiove, let's go through and see what [i]can[/i] be done with "Only Sor/Wiz spells of 4th level or lower," using the powers from the M&M 2E Core Book (and skipping the A's, since they've already been covered): [b]Blast[/b]: [i]Magic missile[/i] (Perception Blast, with ranks in Split Attack), [i]Fireball[/i] (Explosion Blast), [i]Lightning Bolt[/i] (Line Area Touch Range Blast), [i]Shout[/i] (Cone Area Touch Range Blast, with Linked Cone Area Touch Range Auditory Dazzle) [b]Boost[/b]: [i]Bear’s Endurance[/i] (Boost Con 4, Total Fade, various ranks in Slow Fade), [i]Bull’s Strength[/i] (Boost Str), [i]Cat’s Grace[/i] (Boost Dex), [i]Eagle’s Splendor[/i] (Boosts Cha), [i]Fox’s Cunning[/i] (Boosts Int), [i]Owl’s Wisdom[/i] (Boosts Wis), [i]Flame Arrow[/i] (Boost Blast, only Blasts defined as slow projectiles) [b]Burrowing[/b]: Hunh, [i]Passwall[/i] is 5th level. Possible via [i]Polymorph[/i] of self into some burrowing critter. [b]Cold Control[/b]: Another one with no real D&D equivalent, at any level (not in PHB, at least) [b]Communication[/b]: [i]Whispering Wind[/i] [b]Comprehend[/b]: [i]Comprehend Languages[/i] and [i]Tongues[/i] [b]Concealment[/b]: [i]Invisibility[/i] and [i]Invisibility Sphere[/i],, and possibly [i]Blur[/i] and [i]Displacement[/i] [b]Confuse[/b]: [i]Confusion[/i] [b]Corrosion[/b]: [i]Rusting Grasp[/i] is the only one I can find, but it's a Druid (Divine) spell. [b]Cosmic Energy Control[/b]: Is a fancy type of Blast (see above). [b]Create Object[/b]: [i]Minor Creation[/i], [i]Secure Shelter[/i], [i]Resilient Sphere[/i] [b]Darkness Control[/b]: [i]Darkness[/i] [b]Datalink[/b]: Do I really need to say it? [b]Dazzle[/b]: [i]Blindness/Deafness[/i], and the aforementioned [i]Shout[/i]. And potentially [i]Stinking Cloud[/i]. [b]Deflect[/b]: [i]Wind Wall[/i] [b]Density[/b]: Also not seeing a D&D PHB equivalent. [b]Device[/b]: Really don't think this should be allowable as something a Variable Power can allow anyway. [b]Dimensional Pocket[/b]: [i]Rope Trick[/i] [b]Disintegration[/b]: Not 'till 6th level. [b]Drain[/b]: [i]Chill Touch (Strike with Linked Drain Str), [i]Ray of Enfeeblement[/i] (Ranged Drain Str), [i]Bestow Curse[/i] (could be done as Drain), [i]Contagion[/i] (Disease Drain), [i]Enervation[/i] (Drain All Traits), [i]Tough of Idiocy[/i] [b]Duplication[/b]: Nope [b]Electricity Control[/b]: Is the same as Blast (see above). [b](Elemental) Control[/b]: Air Control as [i]Gust of Wind[/i]. Earth Control as [i]Stone Shape[/i]. [b]Elongation[/b]: Nada [b]Emotion Control[/b]: [i]Charm Person[/i] and [i]Charm Monster[/i], [i]Rage[/i], [i]Crushing Despair[/i] [b]Enhanced Ability[/b]: Could potentially be used for the first six buffing spells mentioned under Boost. Enhanced Feats (Improved Critical) for [i]Keen Edge[/i]. [b]Environmental Control[/b]: [i]Daylight[/i] (light), [i]Sleet Storm[/i] and [i]Solid Fog[/i] (hamper movement effect, and Linked Limited Visual Obscure) [b]ESP[/b]: [i]Clairaudience/Clairvoyance[/i] [b]Fatigue[/b]: [i]Deep Slumber[/i], [i]Ray of Exhaustion[/i] [b]Flight[/b]: [i]Fly[/i] [b]Force Field[/b]: [i]Mage Armor[/i], and [i]Stoneskin[/i] could be a Continues Impervious Fade Force Field. [b]Friction Control[/b]: No real D&D equivalent anywhere (but I really cannot think of any comic book or fantasy mage who's used magic to mimic this particular ability) [b]Gestalt[/b]: No, not really. [b]Gravity Control[/b]: [i]Reverse Gravity[/i]'s 7th level [b]Growth[/b]: [i]Enlarge Person[/i] and [i]Mass Enlarge Person[/i] [b]Healing[/b]: Not an Arcane spell in D&D PHB. [b]Hellfire Control[/b]: Not a spell in the D&D PHB. [b]Illusion[/b]: [i]Silent Image[/i], [i]Major Image[/i], [i]Hallucinatory Terrain[/i], and [i]Illusory Wall[/i] [b]Immunity[/b]: Limited form for [i]Resist Energy[/i] and [i]Protection from Energy[/i] [b]Insubstantial[/b]: [i]Gaseous Form[/i] is Insubstantial 2. [b]Invisibility[/b]: See Concealment. [b]Kinetic Control[/b]: Base effect is Blast, so see above. [b]Leaping[/b]: [i]Jump[/i] [b]Life Control[/b]: effect is to nauseate folks, which [i]Stinking Cloud[/i] can do. [b]Light Control[/b]: See Environmental Control, above. [b]Luck Control[/b]: Not seeing an equivalent in any D&D book. [b]Magic[/b]: Is what he'd be doing. ;) [b]Magnetic Control[/b]: None I can find at 4th level or below. [b]Mental Blast[/b]: Is more of an Expanded Psionics Handbook thing. [b]Mimic (Trait)[/b]: Has no real equivalent in D&D (that I'm aware of, anyway), and again I'm not so keen on having one Variable Thing being used to create another Variable Thing. [b]Mind Control[/b]: [i]Lesser Geas[/i] (along with some sort of Linked Drain) [b]Mind Reading[/b]: [i]Detect Thoughts[/i] [b]Mind Shield[/b]: [i]Nondetection[/i] covers some aspect of that. [b]Mind Switch[/b]: No real equivalent in PHB. [b]Morph[/b]: [i]Disguise Self[/i], possibly [i]Alter Self[/i] [b]Nauseate[/b]: [i]Stinking Cloud[/i], possibly. [b]Nemesis[/b]: See Mimic, above. [b]Nullify (Power)[/b]: [i]Dispel Magic[/i], and [i]Dimensional Anchor[/i] would be a Nullifying Teleport Field. [b]Object Mimicry[/b]: See Mimic, above. [b]Obscure[/b]: [i]Darkness[/i], [i]Pyrotechnics[/i] (w/ Linked Suffocate) [b]Paralyze[/b]: [i]Hold Person[/i] [b]Plant Control[/b]: More of a Druid thing. [b]Plasma Control[/b]: See Friction Control, above. [b]Possession[/b]: [i]Soul Jar[/i]'s a 5th level spell. [b]Power Control[/b]: Not in D&D PHB. [b]Protection[/b]: Possible for [i]Mage Armor[/i] or [i]Stoneskin[/i]. [b]Quickness[/b]: Not in D&D PHB. [b]Radiation Control[/b]: See Friction Control, above. [b]Regeneration[/b]: Not an Arcane thing. [b]Sensory Shield[/b]: Not in D&D PHB. [b]Shapeshift[/b]: [i]Polymorph[/i], if cast on self, butt hat would just as easily be done with Enhanced Traits and other powers. And, again,not keen on having one Variable Thing in another. [b]Shield[/b]: [i]Shield[/i] [b]Shrinking[/b]: [i]Reduce Person[/i], [i]Mass Reduce Person[/i] [b]Snare[/b]: Some aspects of [i]Animate Rope[/i] fall under this, yes. As does [i]Black Tentacles[/i]. [b]Sonic Control[/b]: [i]Shout[/i] [b]Space Travel[/b]: WotC stopped caring about Spelljammer looong ago. [b]Spatial Control[/b]: See Teleport, below. [b]Speed[/b]: [i]Expeditious Retreat[/i] [b]Spinning[/b]: Nada. [b]Strike[/b]: [i]Chill Touch[/i], [i]Vampiric Touch[/i] [b]Stun[/b]: [i]Daze Monster[/i] [b]Suffocate[/b]: [i]Pyrotechnics[/i] (w/ Linked Obscure) [b]Summon (Minion)[/b]: [i]Summon Monster I-IV[/i] (a lion, 3 black bears or 3 small elementals, 5 eagles), and [i]Unseen Servant[/i] [b]Super-Movement[/b]: [i]Spider Climb[/i] for Wall Crawling. [i]Featherfall[/i] for Slow Fall. [b]Super-Senses[/b]: [i]Detect Poison[/i], [i]Detect Magic[/i], [i]Detect Undead[/i], [i]See Invisibility[/i], [i]Darkvision[/i] [b]Super-Speed[/b]: Could be tweaked to get something close to [i]Haste[/i] [b]Super-Strength[/b]: No real equivalent in D&D. [b]Swimming[/b]: Possible via [i]Polymorph[/i] of self into some swimming critter. [b]Telekinesis[/b]: Not 'till 5th level. [b]Telepathy[/b]: Not 'till 5th level ([i]Telepathic Bond[/i], and even that could be Super-Senses [Communication Link]) [b]Teleport[/b]: [i]Dimension Door[/i] [b]Time Control[/b]: No real D&D equivalent. [b]Transfer[/b]: No Arcane equivalent [b]Transform[/b]: [i]Erase[/i], [i]Arcane Mark[/i], and [i]Prestidigitation[/i] could all fall under here. [b]Trip[/b]: [i]Grease[/i] and [i]Gust of Wind[/i] [b]Vibration Control[/b]: See Friction Control, above. [b]Weather Control[/b]: Not [i]Control Weather[/i] [i]per se[/i], but see Environmental Control and Obscure, above. (whew!)[/i] [/QUOTE]
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