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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9001761" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>No, I'm not confusing the two at all.</p><p></p><p>It's really pretty simple. A small percentage of Star Wars fans took every word Obi-Wan said re: the Jedi as gospel truth, and assumed, completely uncritically and without the slightest curiosity, that all Jedi and the Jedi Order (which wasn't even named in the OT, note) were absolute and completely infallible beacons of light and goodness.</p><p></p><p>This despite exactly 33% of the Jedi Order-trained Jedi in the OT having turned evil. Just absolutely wild stuff.</p><p></p><p>You literally do not get to say Lucas - or any other author - "screwed up" or the like merely because he didn't create something that fit your entirely assumption-based headcanon. You are entitled to not like it, but to claim a "screw up" or "mistake" or the like you need more than your own headcanon.</p><p></p><p>Regardless, if we agree with your premise that it is a question for the audience, then the vast bulk of the audience agrees with Lucas and Filoni's approach (and Yoda and Qui-Gon's textual comments - and later Ahsoka's), which is that the Jedi Order as an organisation was increasingly in error by the PT era, if not the High Republic era. That doesn't negate individual heroism by Jedi, even the majority of Jedi - individuals can be trying to do good even as their organisation is structurally failing. Really the only group of people who see the Jedi as "all heroes" is a small, aging group who saw and internalised the OT before the PT was out, and also took Obi-Wan literally and who care about the issue. That's probably like 1-5% of Star Wars fans, and a smaller proportion of casual viewers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9001761, member: 18"] No, I'm not confusing the two at all. It's really pretty simple. A small percentage of Star Wars fans took every word Obi-Wan said re: the Jedi as gospel truth, and assumed, completely uncritically and without the slightest curiosity, that all Jedi and the Jedi Order (which wasn't even named in the OT, note) were absolute and completely infallible beacons of light and goodness. This despite exactly 33% of the Jedi Order-trained Jedi in the OT having turned evil. Just absolutely wild stuff. You literally do not get to say Lucas - or any other author - "screwed up" or the like merely because he didn't create something that fit your entirely assumption-based headcanon. You are entitled to not like it, but to claim a "screw up" or "mistake" or the like you need more than your own headcanon. Regardless, if we agree with your premise that it is a question for the audience, then the vast bulk of the audience agrees with Lucas and Filoni's approach (and Yoda and Qui-Gon's textual comments - and later Ahsoka's), which is that the Jedi Order as an organisation was increasingly in error by the PT era, if not the High Republic era. That doesn't negate individual heroism by Jedi, even the majority of Jedi - individuals can be trying to do good even as their organisation is structurally failing. Really the only group of people who see the Jedi as "all heroes" is a small, aging group who saw and internalised the OT before the PT was out, and also took Obi-Wan literally and who care about the issue. That's probably like 1-5% of Star Wars fans, and a smaller proportion of casual viewers. [/QUOTE]
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