D&D 5E Mearls' "Firing" tweet

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FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
Why? It exists, it's a term used by that group to describe themselves, and we all know what it means. I'm not saying anybody who grumbles about feminism is a card-carrying member, but I think it's fair to ascribe certain tactics and arguments to the alt-right.

But if you have another shorthand term to describe "nationalistic with white supremacist and paternalistic tendencies, dressed up for polite company and with a quasi-intellectual basis" I'd be happy to try it out. :)

Steven Pinker recently got into trouble for saying at a conference:


He was talking about how the arguments of the alt-right seem more intellectual and less overtly racist (e.g. "meritocracy") than the blatant white supremacist stuff, and it is appealing and seductive to people fed up with political correctness. Or maybe who saw 'lesser qualified' students of color get into the college they got rejected from and are bitter and angry and receptive to messages that validate their anger.

(The reason he got into trouble is that Richard Spencer and his ilk cherry-picked the phrases "political correctness has done an enormous amount of harm" and "the often highly literate, highly intelligent people who gravitate to the alt-right" and spread it across the Internet.)

When you would rather be dismissive by calling or insinuating certain viewpoints are ALT RIGHT and thus necessarily racist etc without actually addressing the merits of the viewpoint on it's own then we can't have a discussion on this. When you would rather defend bringing ALT RIGHT into this than apologizing and addressing my viewpoint that triggered these dismissive trigger words then you've made it clear you don't want to have a discussion on it. I'll bow out now.
 

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When you would rather be dismissive by calling or insinuating certain viewpoints are ALT RIGHT and thus necessarily racist etc without actually addressing the merits of the viewpoint on it's own then we can't have a discussion on this. When you would rather defend bringing ALT RIGHT into this than apologizing and addressing my viewpoint that triggered these dismissive trigger words then you've made it clear you don't want to have a discussion on it. I'll bow out now.

I think I should bow out, too. This gets too heated.

But I do apologize if you took personal offense at my categorizing certain arguments as alt-right arguments. I don't see it as any different than categorizing things as "militant feminist" or "politically correct" or the like. Terms like that have been used in this thread to categorize (and dismiss) liberal viewpoints.

The crazy thing in all of this is that my entire life I've considered myself conservative (and have always argued against affirmative action, but for different reasons than I hear now). With politics (and decency) going off the rails in the last couple of years I'm suddenly finding myself defending liberal views.
 

So I guess [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] and [MENTION=6795602]FrogReaver[/MENTION] really want to get this thread closed with arguments about racism.....can you guys get back on topic or take it to another website?
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
I think I should bow out, too. This gets too heated.

But I do apologize if you took personal offense at my categorizing certain arguments as alt-right arguments. I don't see it as any different than categorizing things as "militant feminist" or "politically correct" or the like. Terms like that have been used in this thread to categorize (and dismiss) liberal viewpoints.

The crazy thing in all of this is that my entire life I've considered myself conservative (and have always argued against affirmative action, but for different reasons than I hear now). With politics (and decency) going off the rails in the last couple of years I'm suddenly finding myself defending liberal views.

Sounds good, besides we have a class to build!!!
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
So I guess [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] and [MENTION=6795602]FrogReaver[/MENTION] really want to get this thread closed with arguments about racism.....can you guys get back on topic or take it to another website?

How about you go somewhere else?
 


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So I guess [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] and [MENTION=6795602]FrogReaver[/MENTION] really want to get this thread closed with arguments about racism.....can you guys get back on topic or take it to another website?

Yeah, well it's all part of the same thing. Same arguments about privilege vs. merit vs. whatever, just applied to race instead of gender.

Thread should probably be locked anyway. This is a D&D forum not alt.rec.catfight.politics
 


Parmandur

Book-Friend, he/him
So what?

In my profession, I want people who have experience with one thing but I'm happy to take people who have experience in a different, but equally challenging thing - because they have proven that they grasp the big picture of large, complex engineering problems and that they can be trained.

This is the same type of situation. They hired someone to be a designer (a "look at the big picture, ask what-if questions, come up with an idea, and hand it off to the developers to turn it into game mechanics" type of role). WotC likely considers that she has proven experience doing that. It isn't for random people on the internet to second-guess their hiring practices. When a product with her name on it comes out, feel free to critique it.
Oh, I agree entirely: being an experienced DM was part of the job rec, though, so it is particularly bizarre that people assume she isn't an experienced DM?
 

ssvegeta555

Explorer
Mearls is right on point. Seriously, people questioning a new hire because she's a woman and doubting her "credentials"? That toxic BS should never be tolerated. We shouldn't be tolerant of intolerant toxicity. Find another game and take your BS with you.

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