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<blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 2477234" data-attributes="member: 6939"><p>I can just as easily assert that you can't "use" cleave outside.. There's no RAW that anyone's quoted that unambiguously proves this one way or another.</p><p></p><p>I can just as easily assert that you can't "use" spells 4 rounds in a row. There's no RAW that anyone's quoted that unambiguously proves this one way or another.</p><p></p><p>I can just as easily assert that you can't walk in a straight line. There's no RAW that anyone's quoted that unambiguously proves this one way or another.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The point is, RAW deals with the 'norm', or steady state situation, and then deals with very specific situations that change the 'norm'.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I have PA, and I have cleave. I go outside, rules don't state anything, so I still have both feats. I then attack someone, rules don't mention that this changes anything, so I still have both feats. I then put on heavy armor, again, no rules about this change, so things stay as 'normal' and I keep the two feats.</p><p></p><p>Then I get hit by a shadow, and lose 3 points for str (from 14 to 11). The rules *still* do not say anything about this, not until I try and use my feats.</p><p></p><p>So I try and PA that pesky shadow. Now the rules do say something about this, they say I cannot *use* PA if I since I do not have the prereqs. The rules do not say I lose the feat, just that I cannot use the feat. Kinda like a wand in an anti-magic field.</p><p></p><p>So I hit normally, and kill one anyway, and want to cleave a second shadow. Lets check the rules again. The rules say I can't cleave if I don't have the prereqs. Now note, the rules *don't* say I must be able to use the prereqs, just still meet them. The prereqs for cleave say I must *have* PA, it does not say I must be able to use PA. So since the rules don't say I lose the feat, and the rules don't say I can't use the feat, the situation stays 'normal' with regard to cleave, and I get to hit the second shadow.</p><p>Did the rules specifically state that I could use cleave? Of course not, but it didn't specifically say I could use it outside in heavy armor either.... </p><p></p><p>,</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coredump, post: 2477234, member: 6939"] I can just as easily assert that you can't "use" cleave outside.. There's no RAW that anyone's quoted that unambiguously proves this one way or another. I can just as easily assert that you can't "use" spells 4 rounds in a row. There's no RAW that anyone's quoted that unambiguously proves this one way or another. I can just as easily assert that you can't walk in a straight line. There's no RAW that anyone's quoted that unambiguously proves this one way or another. The point is, RAW deals with the 'norm', or steady state situation, and then deals with very specific situations that change the 'norm'. I have PA, and I have cleave. I go outside, rules don't state anything, so I still have both feats. I then attack someone, rules don't mention that this changes anything, so I still have both feats. I then put on heavy armor, again, no rules about this change, so things stay as 'normal' and I keep the two feats. Then I get hit by a shadow, and lose 3 points for str (from 14 to 11). The rules *still* do not say anything about this, not until I try and use my feats. So I try and PA that pesky shadow. Now the rules do say something about this, they say I cannot *use* PA if I since I do not have the prereqs. The rules do not say I lose the feat, just that I cannot use the feat. Kinda like a wand in an anti-magic field. So I hit normally, and kill one anyway, and want to cleave a second shadow. Lets check the rules again. The rules say I can't cleave if I don't have the prereqs. Now note, the rules *don't* say I must be able to use the prereqs, just still meet them. The prereqs for cleave say I must *have* PA, it does not say I must be able to use PA. So since the rules don't say I lose the feat, and the rules don't say I can't use the feat, the situation stays 'normal' with regard to cleave, and I get to hit the second shadow. Did the rules specifically state that I could use cleave? Of course not, but it didn't specifically say I could use it outside in heavy armor either.... , [/QUOTE]
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