Metamagic Rods and Item Creation

[Thanee]

Unfortunately it is not that easy, since you can use the rod to prepare the spell and then you have a prepared metamagicked spell, which (prepared spell) is listed as a possible requirement.

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Thanee

 

[WCrawford]

Unfortunately it is not that easy, since you can use the rod to prepare the spell and then you have a prepared metamagicked spell, which (prepared spell) is listed as a possible requirement.

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Thanee

Use the rod to prepare the spell??? WTF??? The rod is used as the spell is cast, hence use activated.

 

[Thanee]

[slightly Off-Topic]

That is not nearly as clear as you might think.

If you can show me a quote which undeniably says, that the rod is used during the casting and not during the preparation of a spell (also a use as in use-activated)... but well, you won't be able to as there is no such quote.

There are, however, quite a few factors which strongly suggest the opposite.

One of them is balance... sorcerers still need a full-round action to apply the feat, and they already know how to do that spontaneously! So, why should wizards be able to modify their spells without a time increase, if the rod would allow them to do it spontaneously, which they normally are not able to at all? Or the other way around, if wizards can do this with the rod, it suggests, that the rod does the necessary modification of the spell, the wizard only activates it, why does a sorcerer need to do that "by hand"?

The rods description also says, that it only gives the ability to use the feat, it does not say anything about changing the way the feat is used.

Metamagic Rods: Metamagic rods hold the essence of a metamagic feat but do not change the spell slot of the altered spell. All the rods described here are use-activated (but casting spells in a threatened area still draws an attack of opportunity). A caster may only use one metamagic rod on any given spell, but it is permissible to combine a rod with metamagic feats possessed by the rod's wielder. In this case, only the feats possessed by the wielder adjust the spell slot of the spell being cast. Possession of a metamagic rod does not confer the associated feat on the owner, only the ability to use the given feat a specified number of times per day. A sorcerer still must take a full-round action when using a metamagic rod, just as if using a metamagic feat he possesses.

Lesser and Greater Metamagic Rods: Normal metamagic rods can be used with spells of 6th level or lower. Lesser rods can be used with spells of 3rd level or lower, while greater rods can be used with spells of 9th level or lower.

Metamagic, Empower: The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are empowered as though using the Empower Spell feat.

Strong (no school); CL 17th; Craft Rod, Empower Spell; Price 9,000 gp (lesser), 32,500 gp (normal), 73,000 gp (greater).

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Thanee

 

[WCrawford]

Ok, why include this line, "All the rods described here are use-activated (but casting spells in a threatened area still draws an attack of opportunity)." if the rod was supposed to be used to modify a spell during preparation?

And they way you describe its function would confer the feat upon the caster, expressly forbidden by your quote.

 

[Thanee]

Because of sorcerers.

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Thanee

 

[AuraSeer]

And they way you describe its function would confer the feat upon the caster, expressly forbidden by your quote.

No. It only allows the use of the feat, which is not the same.

Possessing a metamagic rod does not give you the feat for purposes of meeting prereqs. It won't help you qualify for a prestige class, or make a magic item that explicitly requires a feat.