Mindflayer unconscience

[bfreakb999]

So this just happened.. and were all questioning...."is this fair?" or "correct"


Rogue had Drow poison on weapon.. as well as feats that made the mindflayer have a neg 4 to saving throws. Since the mind flayer is elite, it has a natural +2.

So The mindflayer fails its first saving throw. THEN, a thrall forces it to make another saving throw using a Heal check. The rules for drow poison states that after the second saving throw, the creature falls down unconscious...

So is that really the real ruling? I mean.. to me it cheapens this experience.. at the same time.. this was a this was suppose to be a hard encounter and with one fell swoop (less than 2 rounds) the main boss of the encounter is now out of the game. Is this really fair? as DM's... what would you rule? Would i be cheating out the players?

Should i take the rules at face value? I didnt want to fluff the roll, so i rolled it out for them to see.. and it failed resulting in him falling.

what is the real ruling???????!?!!?

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

I believe the way you played it is correct RAW, but I personally rule that any bonus saving throws (i.e. any that grant a save other than the standard set of saving throws you are allowed to make at the end of your turn) have no negative effects on a failure.

 

[On Puget Sound]

PHB2, p. 219:

Failed Saving Throw:.....The effect doesn't change if the creature fails a saving throw against it at a time other than the end of its turn.

This means granted saves, which don't happen at the end of the victim's turn, will never make a situation worse. I played with this as a house rule; turns out it is official errata.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

PHB2, p. 219:


This means granted saves, which don't happen at the end of the victim's turn, will never make a situation worse. I played with this as a house rule; turns out it is official errata.

Awesome! I have the PHB2 but hadn't noticed the update.

 

[bfreakb999]

Re

One Puget Sound...

i so never read or noticed this errata... the mindflayer might fail... but i just thought i should tell you....


i love you. my players dont...

haha.. but i do.

lets hope this will save the encounter....

 

[Nail]

PHB2, p. 219:
Failed Saving Throw:.....The effect doesn't change if the creature fails a saving throw against it at a time other than the end of its turn.

This means granted saves, which don't happen at the end of the victim's turn, will never make a situation worse. I played with this as a house rule; turns out it is official errata.

Excellent. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[Stalker0]

Bah, you think that's bad, try watching a wizard release visions of avarice with a -6 to saving throws (-10 vs one creature thanks to the orb).

My big guy never moved the entire fight, and 3/4 of the monsters huddle around imaginary treasure while the party went wild!