MoF Incantatrix, wow

[Dash Dannigan]

I was looking at some PrCs for a Sorc I'm building and I was origianlly going to reply as this came up during my other Sorc post but decided it was too OT to warrant putting it there. Hence, new thread. Likely as not this has been discussed in the past (surely it has). Now for a wizard the PrC seems fine but for a Sorcerer!?

Well, I've been working on the MoF Incantatrix PrC. A 6th Level Sorc qualifies, I don't see any reason why a Sorc would want to take anything else. Sheesh, it's amazing. Extra feats for Sorc too wow.

When I first looked at it I thought it was okay, but after putting together some spells and such (plus more feats) for a Sorcerer it seems a little, well, strong. Heh, am I missing something here? Extra feats, Improved Metamagic...an evocation sorcerer's wet-dream?!

 

[Kaji]

You sure are right

Dash

You are very right, I think. I'm playing one right now in my current power hungry campaign as a wizard, and it's pretty powerful. You do lose some class skills, but it's more than worth the price in my opinion. Frankly, I think it might be a bit too overpowered in comparison to other casters. It certainly makes for some very damaging spell effects.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

How does a Sor manage the specialize as an abjurer bit.

 

[Oni]

I just have to say that the Incantatrix is one of the most broken PrC's I have ever seen.

 

[ruleslawyer]

Why, exactly? If you're going to employ these ridiculously overused terms on these boards, please provide actual justification; I'd have expected more from you, given your sig.

Incanatrix can be taken by sorcs; the virtual abjuration specialty gives them one more spell slot (NOT known spell) per spell level per day, and the standard +2 on Spellcraft checks dealing with spells of the Abjuration school. It's a somewhat difficult class for sorcs, though; 8 ranks in a cross-class skill and a burn feat (Iron Will).

IMHO, incanatrix is somewhat overbalanced, a problem that I'd fix by removing the 1st-level bonus metamagic feat. Instant Metamagic has already been fixed in errata, and Improved Metamagic just isn't that powerful for a 13th+ level wizard or 14th+ level sorcerer. The other abilities are nifty, but don't make up for the loss of familiar advancement or the initial burn feat.

 

[Hypersmurf]

How does a Sor manage the specialize as an abjurer bit.

Huh? You just forsake any new Evocation spells, for example. The Specialization isn't a Prerequisite, it's a class feature.

It even specifically mentions Bards and Sorcerers :

School Specialization: Upon becoming an incantatrix, the character chooses to focus her studies on protective and metamagic, forsaking other types of spells. In effect, the incantatrix is a specialist in the school of Abjuration (gaining all the benefits of specializing in a school), and the incantatrix must choose an additional prohibited school or schools using the rules on page 54 of the Player's Handbook (although an incantatrix can never choose Transmutation as an opposed school). The incantatrix can never again learn spells from that prohibited school or schools. She can still use the prohibited spells she knew prior to becoming an incantatrix, including using items that are activated by spell completion or spell trigger. If the incantatrix already is a wizard specialized in Abjuration, she does not need to choose another prohibited school. A bard or sorcerer who becomes an incantatrix must still choose a prohibited school to gain the benefits of specialization.

-Hyp.

 

[Kraedin]

Improved metamagic may be the most broken class feature ever printed, with the exception of spelldancing. The ability to empower for +1 levels is horrific.

 

[hammymchamham]

Why, exactly? If you're going to employ these ridiculously overused terms on these boards, please provide actual justification; I'd have expected more from you, given your sig.

All he did was state his opinion. No need for name calling.

 

[Dash Dannigan]

I've just been looking at things and the feat progression alone is desirable to a Sorc let alone the metamagic gifts. That's +3 feats a Sorc would otherwise not have. That's a whole heck of alot to spend on Metamagic feats for a sorcerer.

Plus the abjuration is neat, a specialization for a Sorcerer, something normally only available to Wizards, heck an extra spell per day? For every level? Has to be abjuration though...not too bad.

At 10th Level an Empowered Fireball dealing 15d6 as a 5th level spell. Cast that puppy 4 times a day ouch, more to come higher in level as well.

At 12th Level take Chain Feat and begin chaining Hold Person and Haste, fun stuff.

At 14th Level the fun really starts! Improved Metamagic comes into play now all those metammagiced spells are now cast one level lower!

An Empowered Fireball/Lightning Bolt at 15d6 (cast only as a 4th level spell now!). A Chained Haste or Hold Person as 5th level spells (chained haste being more or less identical to the 6th level spell mass haste!). A Chained Polymorph Other as a 6th level spell. Empowered Explosive Cascade for flexible area effect damages, need to fireball into an intense melee? No problem! As a 5th level spell do 15d6 to exactly who you want to, 5ft square/lvl, phew! An Empowered Firebrand as a 6th level spell doing 22.5d6 damage, 5ft rad burst/lvl. for slightly more sparse melee's. An admixed fireball doing an inferior 20d6...

Chained Hold Monster is also an option here as a 7th lvl spell, Empowered Chain Lightning dealing 21d6. If improved metamagic ability stacks with feats used then an Admixed-Empowered fireball would deal 25d6 of damage as a 7th level spell. Mind you, all this is only at 14th level.

Suddenly, at 16th lvl we have an Admixed Firebrand for 30d6 cast as an 8th lvl spell. We also have an Admixed-Empowered Explosive Cascade at 25d6.

At 18th level one could cast a Twined-Empowered Firebrand for 45d6 (albeit 2 saves) as a 9th level spell... At 20th level an Admixed Chain Lightning would do 40d6 (only 20d6 to folks within 30ft though, ) An Empowered Horrid Wilting dealing what? 30d8? Pretty Nasty I'd say, all of this based around evocation and metamagiced Sorcerer style, ack.

I got green in the face just calculating all these out. Combine the extra feats gained from the Incantatrix PrC add in Energy Substitution: Sonic and Admixture: Sonic, or forgo that and just take Dismissal And Banishment and you don't even have to worry about Sonic energy for those darned devils! They are Abjuration spells afterall...

What do the rest of you got? This is what I worked on the other day, any flaws? What else am I missing? I don't think the Improved Metamagic ability should stack, it should be more along the lines of any "meta-magiced" spell is reduced by one level no matter the number of feats used.

 

[Ascending Crane]

Originally posted by ruleslawyer
Why, exactly? If you're going to employ these ridiculously overused terms on these boards, please provide actual justification; I'd have expected more from you, given your sig.

All he did was state his opinion. No need for name calling.

Perhaps I'm blind. I don't see where ruleslawyer starts calling anyone names.