Noah Ivaldi
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Nosky: Foxit Reader is compatible with most of the sheet. It gets a few things wrong. I posted a reminder about this in one of my recent posts on this thread.
Astromath: Yeah, that's the problem. There is no "standard." Because 5E, unlike previous editions, uses every ability score in various saving throws, pretty much any "suggested" scores are going to be considered to be wrong by at least 70% of users, and the rest will still find it silly that such an individualized consideration is being automated. There's just too much individual variance. Let me show you some examples:
My DM doesn't track carrying capacity. That means that dumping STR is almost always a good idea, even for most martial units, because we can just use finesse weapons to deal physical damage. As long as we have that one party member with the STR to break doors down, bust us out of that hand of earth that is trying to squeeze us to death, and deal good bludgeoning damage, the rest of us don't need it. If your DM keeps track of carrying capacity and/or throws you a lot of situations in which you'll need more STR (You need to deal a lot of bludgeoning damage to this guy because he resists piercing and slashing. You need to work together to bust down this wall. You can't keep sucking up your ally's action economy for him to keep helping you break out of this grabby spell that a lot of enemies like to use.), it's no longer such an easy dump stat for you.
DEX pretty much never seems like a good idea to drop because of its tie to AC, but what if you're running a paladin in full plate? You want high STR for pain and rescuing heavy allies, high CON for survival, INT is helpful for getting through illusions and stuff, WIS for saves against things that would mess with your mind in the first place, and CHA is your core. "Great, so make some array based on that." No, 'cause then that ruins every other paladin: The paladin that's focused on being the best martial, just with a little divine assistance, the paladin that's all about discovery, discernment, and social situations, but doesn't need to deal damage at all and is too frail to get in the fray and pick his allies up, and the paladin that is tanky, mobile, and magical, but not good at resisting magical influences or hitting hard without finesse are all asking, "Where's my array? Who decided on this?"
Plenty of martials will dump INT because they always have and save some points for WIS because they associate WIS with "will" saves against a ton of spells. Plenty of spells and attacks use other scores for saves, now, so this is no longer a completely valid thought process.
Plenty of casters will dump mental scores that aren't tied to their casting for the same reasons, and suffer the same changes.
Dump CHA? Everyone that doesn't cast with it dumps CHA, right? Well, sure, but be prepared to suffer a lot of charms and compulsions that were previously "will" saves. Does your DM avoid enchantments for the most part? Then, dumping CHA is logical. Does your DM spam them more than Gary Gygax? Put CHA as high as you can afford. Somewhere in between? Do stuff in between. A pre-arranged "This is a typical CHA score for your class" number would never be able to find a spot along this spectrum to represent as "typical."
I could point to different ability score arrays for every class that are equally valid. No pre-generated scores could ever fairly pick between them.
MPMB: Sweet! I agree that it should be non-printing blue text, and the goliath should just auto-fill in a 2. I have been too busy to update and test, lately, but I'll be happy to give input on your latest version sometime soon!
Astromath: Yeah, that's the problem. There is no "standard." Because 5E, unlike previous editions, uses every ability score in various saving throws, pretty much any "suggested" scores are going to be considered to be wrong by at least 70% of users, and the rest will still find it silly that such an individualized consideration is being automated. There's just too much individual variance. Let me show you some examples:
My DM doesn't track carrying capacity. That means that dumping STR is almost always a good idea, even for most martial units, because we can just use finesse weapons to deal physical damage. As long as we have that one party member with the STR to break doors down, bust us out of that hand of earth that is trying to squeeze us to death, and deal good bludgeoning damage, the rest of us don't need it. If your DM keeps track of carrying capacity and/or throws you a lot of situations in which you'll need more STR (You need to deal a lot of bludgeoning damage to this guy because he resists piercing and slashing. You need to work together to bust down this wall. You can't keep sucking up your ally's action economy for him to keep helping you break out of this grabby spell that a lot of enemies like to use.), it's no longer such an easy dump stat for you.
DEX pretty much never seems like a good idea to drop because of its tie to AC, but what if you're running a paladin in full plate? You want high STR for pain and rescuing heavy allies, high CON for survival, INT is helpful for getting through illusions and stuff, WIS for saves against things that would mess with your mind in the first place, and CHA is your core. "Great, so make some array based on that." No, 'cause then that ruins every other paladin: The paladin that's focused on being the best martial, just with a little divine assistance, the paladin that's all about discovery, discernment, and social situations, but doesn't need to deal damage at all and is too frail to get in the fray and pick his allies up, and the paladin that is tanky, mobile, and magical, but not good at resisting magical influences or hitting hard without finesse are all asking, "Where's my array? Who decided on this?"
Plenty of martials will dump INT because they always have and save some points for WIS because they associate WIS with "will" saves against a ton of spells. Plenty of spells and attacks use other scores for saves, now, so this is no longer a completely valid thought process.
Plenty of casters will dump mental scores that aren't tied to their casting for the same reasons, and suffer the same changes.
Dump CHA? Everyone that doesn't cast with it dumps CHA, right? Well, sure, but be prepared to suffer a lot of charms and compulsions that were previously "will" saves. Does your DM avoid enchantments for the most part? Then, dumping CHA is logical. Does your DM spam them more than Gary Gygax? Put CHA as high as you can afford. Somewhere in between? Do stuff in between. A pre-arranged "This is a typical CHA score for your class" number would never be able to find a spot along this spectrum to represent as "typical."
I could point to different ability score arrays for every class that are equally valid. No pre-generated scores could ever fairly pick between them.
MPMB: Sweet! I agree that it should be non-printing blue text, and the goliath should just auto-fill in a 2. I have been too busy to update and test, lately, but I'll be happy to give input on your latest version sometime soon!