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<blockquote data-quote="Spade" data-source="post: 5462085" data-attributes="member: 6669366"><p>All true, except the offices bit. Nobles are not officials in many instances, but relatives of someone who is/was - Additionally, they do not really have ranks unless they actually are officials or otherwise important. All Dukes and Lords are Nobles, but not all Nobles are Dukes and Lords. I forget what logical fallacy that was, but it seems to be apropos for the discussion. </p><p></p><p>What I was actually saying is you overestimate how many nobles this kind of political chess match applies to - Even if it might cause an upset of some manner, assassination is only worthwhile if <em>the person behind it stands to gain from it</em>. If there's no benefit, it won't happen.</p><p></p><p>[sblock=Socio-Political/Historical-Philosophy/BLAH-BLAH]People rarely, if ever, go out of their way to assassinate people when they don't have anything to gain from it - The only example I can imagine would be an ethical or such conflict, in which case the gains are still minimal at best, such as a sense of satisfaction that someone with opposing ideals is dead now or some other intangible benefit. </p><p></p><p>Even that is something most Nobility wouldn't have to worry about, as few of them would go against the grain of accepted ethics/morality in an extreme enough manner to draw attention. But you might be thinking more of a blood feud thing, which again is extremely circumstantial and would likely hardly extend to anything outside the main family - Cousin's and the like would usually be left alone.</p><p></p><p>As for revolution? That only works out when they are truly willing to go the distance with it, often easily cowed or swayed out of that course of action by fear or temporary satisfaction. The most successful attempt I can think of off-hand was in Russia with the Czar and his family, but that was hardly all Nobility everywhere in Russia even though they did essentially erase his entire bloodline.</p><p></p><p>[sblock=Fun History Fact!]In an example of the kind of stuff you mentioned, Oda Nobunaga protected himself by acting like he was a moron who posed no threat, instead of arming himself with whatever protections he could and attempting to overpower people. </p><p></p><p>You might know that because of this, he survived the turmoil largely unscathed and later conquered a third of Japan. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />[/sblock][/sblock]</p><p></p><p>I'm by no means saying you cannot have your character be a noble in which these are valid concerns, simply that stating that it's a fact of life with Nobles is, frankly, ridiculous.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spade, post: 5462085, member: 6669366"] All true, except the offices bit. Nobles are not officials in many instances, but relatives of someone who is/was - Additionally, they do not really have ranks unless they actually are officials or otherwise important. All Dukes and Lords are Nobles, but not all Nobles are Dukes and Lords. I forget what logical fallacy that was, but it seems to be apropos for the discussion. What I was actually saying is you overestimate how many nobles this kind of political chess match applies to - Even if it might cause an upset of some manner, assassination is only worthwhile if [I]the person behind it stands to gain from it[/I]. If there's no benefit, it won't happen. [sblock=Socio-Political/Historical-Philosophy/BLAH-BLAH]People rarely, if ever, go out of their way to assassinate people when they don't have anything to gain from it - The only example I can imagine would be an ethical or such conflict, in which case the gains are still minimal at best, such as a sense of satisfaction that someone with opposing ideals is dead now or some other intangible benefit. Even that is something most Nobility wouldn't have to worry about, as few of them would go against the grain of accepted ethics/morality in an extreme enough manner to draw attention. But you might be thinking more of a blood feud thing, which again is extremely circumstantial and would likely hardly extend to anything outside the main family - Cousin's and the like would usually be left alone. As for revolution? That only works out when they are truly willing to go the distance with it, often easily cowed or swayed out of that course of action by fear or temporary satisfaction. The most successful attempt I can think of off-hand was in Russia with the Czar and his family, but that was hardly all Nobility everywhere in Russia even though they did essentially erase his entire bloodline. [sblock=Fun History Fact!]In an example of the kind of stuff you mentioned, Oda Nobunaga protected himself by acting like he was a moron who posed no threat, instead of arming himself with whatever protections he could and attempting to overpower people. You might know that because of this, he survived the turmoil largely unscathed and later conquered a third of Japan. ;)[/sblock][/sblock] I'm by no means saying you cannot have your character be a noble in which these are valid concerns, simply that stating that it's a fact of life with Nobles is, frankly, ridiculous. [/QUOTE]
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