Open/Close

[EvilMountainDew]

I have a problem with a certain player in one of my Pen-Paper gaming groups. He has the knack of finding holes in the rules. I so far have let him get away with it because I'd just make the encounter more difficult, but for this problem could you guys help me out?

The player who does this is registered on these messageboards, so I would suggest you not to post here...

Back to the problem

What am I to do when the player uses Open/Close 3 times, one on the mouth, and the other two on the nostrils??? HELP ME!!!

 

[Shayuri]

*gigglesnort*

What's to stop them from just...opening them up again?

Seriously though, I shan't worry about posting here, cuz the rules themselves give the solution to your problem.

Observe.

Transmutation
Level: Brd 0, Sor/Wiz 0
Components: V, S, F
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: Portal or object that can be opened or closed
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Will negates (object)
Spell Resistance: Yes (object)

Note the *target*.

Portal or OBJECT that can be opened or closed. A mouth is part of a creature, not an object. This is a pretty important distinction in rules terms. Creatures are not considered a subset of Objects.

Thus, let him waste the cantrip, then laugh at him. Pay the other players to laugh too. Then pants him and drag him around the track.

 

[EvilMountainDew]

heh

heh, thanks good point... I am fairly new to DMing as it is, and that was like 6 months ago

 

[dkilgo]

Common mistake for new gamers, and sometimes old ones. Just try to keep him/her in check because people like that sometimes become rules lawyers, and you don't want that.

 

[kreynolds]

Common mistake for new gamers, and sometimes old ones. Just try to keep him/her in check because people like that sometimes become rules lawyers, and you don't want that.

No. People like that become rules-lawyer wannabe's, and give the real rules-lawyers a bad name. A true rules-lawyer would know that a mouth and nostril is part of a creature (unless they were separated from the creature), thus not applicable as an object, as the spell dictates.

 

[dkilgo]

A rules lawyer has to get through puberty first. That is what stage this poor fellow is in.

 

[smetzger]

Might as well stop it before it starts.

No, you cannot summon a monster to drop onto someone. The spell says you cannot summon a creature in empty space.

 

[apsuman]

under the "you get more flies with honey than vinegar" approach...

Offer him things he could cast open/close or any other of the "problem" spell upon.

The ammo cartridge on a repeating crossbow.
Any bag/sack/sachel/pack/quiver, especially on an upside down opponent.
A door.
A treasure chest.
A spigot
A fountain.


g!

 

[dkilgo]

Might as well stop it before it starts.

No, you cannot summon a monster to drop onto someone. The spell says you cannot summon a creature in empty space.

Not to sound rude, but WHAT ARE YOU REFERING TO?