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Pathfinder 1E Paizo Announces More Details about Minis Line

SquareKnot

Explorer
Paizo just announced more details about their "Pathfinder Battles: Heroes & Monsters" miniatures set here (with more details here). Looks like the set has 40 prepainted plastic minis. The pricing (shown in the upper right corner on first link) is a little odd- $6 for a single large mini or $4 for 1 or 2 small/medium minis. It looks like random packaging but for singles (or the occasional double). I really don't see a lot of differences between this and a DDM set except the price and the number of minis in a booster. $4 for a single random mini is a bit steep when the DDM aftermarket is still alive.

It looks like there are other sets in the line planned (June 2012 will have "Rise of the Runelords"), but they will have different packaging (multiple minis in random packaging, so even more like DDM). At some point they'll also do non-random "encounter packs", but there aren't any details yet.
 
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Herschel

Adventurer
The Succubus looks pretty good, the Frost Giant is okay but the troll, gnome and dire rat are awful, as in Mithril Hall Dwarf awful, and they're the featured teases of the set? Color me not impressed but they are I guess at a good impulse buy price even if they average being a tad pricey. You do only get one miniature without an oustside shot at 2 (if they're smalls, so multiples of those crappy gnomes and dire rats although most need multiple dire rats regardless).

I'll pick up a few her and there I'm sure just because they're plasticrack, but that's about it.
 

Quickleaf

Legend
Wow! Good scoop!

WizKidsHeroesAndMonsters-PFB2.jpg


This is the link you should have put in the OP: http://paizo.com/paizo/v5748eaic9oam

And here's the full text from the Q&A:

[sblock]Pathfinder Battles Q&A:

Q: How will Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures be packaged?
A: Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures will be available in a variety of formats. The first release, Heroes & Monsters, will come in a "brick" of 19 blind standard booster packs, with 16 packs including one Medium or 2 Small figures, and 3 large packs featuring 1 Large monster each. Duplication of figures within a sealed brick has been held to a minimum, so purchasers should get no to very few duplicate figures in a brick (as with any randomized product, collation is not guaranteed). Buyers who purchase factory-sealed cases (4 bricks) should get a nearly complete set of figures.

Heroes & Monsters is scheduled for a December release. Future Pathfinder Battles sets, including June's Rise of the Runelords, will use a multi-figure blind booster format.

Additionally, WizKids plans to release additional Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs, which will feature visible non-random assortments of selected repainted or resculpted figures from the full sets. Product details for these later sets will be released shortly.

Q: Why prepainted plastic miniatures in randomized packs?
A: Prepainted plastic miniatures are expensive to make. Sculpting and painting are costly, and making molds for plastic figures is costlier still. To make all these costs work, you need to spread them out over a large number of miniatures. If these figures were released individually, some would sell better than others, and some--or even many--of them would lose money. Randomizing the miniatures ensures that you sell predictable quantities of each figure, and it also allows you to price them reasonably without losing your shirt. Another benefit of averaging out costs over a large number of figures is that it allows you to spend more money on some miniatures--you can make them larger or more detailed, or add more complicated (and thus more expensive) paint operations than you could otherwise justify. In short, selling more of the common minis allows you to spend more money on the rarer figures.

Randomized miniatures also allow you to provide more variety. Not only can you introduce more figures at once, but the fact that you make make some of them rarer than others means you can produce plenty of the figures that everyone needs, like goblins or skeletons, and fewer of the figures that have narrower appeal, like strange monsters or iconic figures.

Another factor to think about is the brick-and-mortar retailer. It's much easier for a retailer to stock single booster packs than individual packaged minis. Our first set, Heroes & Monsters, contains 40 miniatures. Selling them individually would require a lot of retailer effort to keep them all in stock--and it would also require a lot of space to display those miniatures. And if next year's 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set were released as individual minis, the retailer would then have to track and display 100 individual items. As the line continued, individual minis would soon become impossible for most retailers to keep up with. Because randomized miniatures are distributed to retailers by the case, there's usually only one item for them to order for each set, so it's easy to maintain stock. And since it doesn't take much space to display a handful of booster packs, retailers can easily continue to stock and display the entire line of miniatures as long as they're available.

Retailers who have a greater inclination toward managing more complicated inventories, or who have more space to display miniatures, will almost certainly break open random boxes to sell singles, groups of individual figures they can tailor to their customers' needs, and even complete sets.

A lot of thought has been done on the topic of the best way to produce prepainted plastic miniatures, and the random packaging method, supplemented with the occasional small boxed set of non-random figures, has proven to be the most successful. Paizo is committed to working with WizKids to ensure that customers will be able to purchase the miniatures they want at a fair price.

Q: How often will Pathfinder Battles sets release?
A: The first set, Heroes & Monsters, will release in December 2011. The second set, Rise of the Runelords, will release in June 2012 to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the very first Pathfinder Adventure Path. Additional Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs will appear between these two large releases. More full sets and Encounter Packs will follow throughout 2012 and beyond.

Q: How many figures will be in each Pathfinder Battles release?
A: The first set, Heroes & Monsters, contains 40 miniatures. Retailers who order one case (four "bricks") will have the opportunity to purchase the mighty Black Dragon, a special promotional miniature that towers over other figures in the set and sits on a 3-inch base. The Rise of the Runelords set, scheduled for a June 2012 release, contains 60 figures in the standard set, with promotional figures to be announced in the future. Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs generally will include 6 figures each.

Q: Will Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures be available as part of a Paizo subscription?
A: Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures are produced by WizKids under license from Paizo, and are not currently part of any Paizo subscription. That said, Paizo understands that many of its customers would appreciate a way to subscribe to these miniatures, and is currently exploring options to offer a subscription or similar service.

Q: How does this affect the Pathfinder Miniatures line from Reaper Miniatures?
A: Reaper Miniatures has been producing unpainted metal Pathfinder Miniatures since Fall 2009, and they will continue to do so. Paizo is committed to producing the finest-quality miniatures for gamers of all tastes, whether they prefer prepainted plastic or unpainted metal.

Q: Do these miniatures use Reaper's sculpts?
A: These miniatures use all-new sculpts by WizKids.[/sblock]
 
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Zaukrie

New Publisher
But, but, they are random?

Clearly Paizo doesn't care about it's customers, only wants to capitalize on the success of magic and other card games, and is a bunch of money grabbing jerks that hate me. I will never buy one of their products ever again.

/s

Did I get that right? I mean, that's what people would type if WotC did this, right?

Did I get the prices right? $4 for one medium or 2 small minis, and $6 for one large mini? That's pretty pricey compared to WotC's prices.
 
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gamerprinter

Mapper/Publisher
Don't really know (or care), I don't play 4e, but I've never said anything bad about their product or the company itself. I haven't bought minis in over a decade (got plenty of metal ones in our current set) and I don't buy plastic minis ever.

But its good to see the minis-addicts getting something.
 

Dannager

First Post
I wonder at the reaction if WotC announced a new line of randomized miniatures for $4 per mini.

That said, the simultaneous announcement of a 60-mini Rise of the Runelords set in 2012 all but confirms an updated re-release of the adventure path, likely in compiled hardcover format.
 

IronWolf

blank
But, but, they are random?

Clearly Paizo doesn't care about it's customers, only wants to capitalize on the success of magic and other card games, and is a bunch of money grabbing jerks that hate me. I will never buy one of their products ever again.

/s

Did I get that right? I mean, that's what people would type if WotC did this, right?

Some people would, but not all. People are entitled to their opinion on companies product releases. Some like random, some don't. Some are happy with the pricing and some aren't. But sure, go ahead - three replies in try to paint everyone with the same wide paintbrush.... :erm:

Zaukrie said:
Did I get the prices right? $4 for one medium or 2 small minis, and $6 for one large mini? That's pretty pricey compared to WotC's prices.

Yeah - I have no issues with random - but not sure I am on board with the pricing yet.
 

IronWolf

blank
That said, the simultaneous announcement of a 60-mini Rise of the Runelords set in 2012 all but confirms an updated re-release of the adventure path, likely in compiled hardcover format.

Oh! My mind hadn't even wandered there yet! I would like to Rise of the Runelords re-released - hardback and PDF option would be awesome for me.
 

Treebore

First Post
I wonder at the reaction if WotC announced a new line of randomized miniatures for $4 per mini.

That said, the simultaneous announcement of a 60-mini Rise of the Runelords set in 2012 all but confirms an updated re-release of the adventure path, likely in compiled hardcover format.

The same reaction Paizo is getting from me, I am not buying.

I'll stick with metal mini's that are not random. A little pricier, but I get what I want, and when they finally do get painted they look far more awesome than the plastic pre painted.
 

Treebore

First Post
Oh! My mind hadn't even wandered there yet! I would like to Rise of the Runelords re-released - hardback and PDF option would be awesome for me.

Since I am sure they would add more content, I'd likely buy it too, despite having the full original set, in print and PDF.
 

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