Pathfinder Online Layoffs; Ryan Dancey Leaves Company

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has announced that Goblinworks has had to lay off nearly the entire staff of Pathfinder Online. "We knew we needed a certain amount of money to finish to build the game, and we came really damn close, but we just couldn’t find the last bit of funding that we needed. […] Last Friday, we had to lay off most of the staff. […] I couldn’t pay them anymore. We gave them lots of warning, so they all knew this was coming." Not only that, apparently Ryan Dancey left the company two weeks ago! That leaves three employees (who are continuing work on the game), who are being moved to the Paizo offices; the Goblinworks offices are being closed. The company is seeking $1-$2 million from other investors to finish the game.

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has announced that Goblinworks has had to lay off nearly the entire staff of Pathfinder Online. "We knew we needed a certain amount of money to finish to build the game, and we came really damn close, but we just couldn’t find the last bit of funding that we needed. […] Last Friday, we had to lay off most of the staff. […] I couldn’t pay them anymore. We gave them lots of warning, so they all knew this was coming." Not only that, apparently Ryan Dancey left the company two weeks ago! That leaves three employees (who are continuing work on the game), who are being moved to the Paizo offices; the Goblinworks offices are being closed. The company is seeking $1-$2 million from other investors to finish the game.

Pathfinder Online was being produced by Goblinworks, a new company spearheaded by Ryan Dancey and Lisa Stevens, amongst others. It has had two successful Kickstarters already - one for a million dollars, and the other for a $300K technology demo.


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Here's the full announcement from Lisa Stevens:

To the Pathfinder Online Community

From the beginning of the three year journey to create Pathfinder Online, the one constant has been the support of our community and for this I thank you. We have had ups and downs including heated debates on design, implementation and overall gameplay. We have literally battled together (or against each other) and I know you enjoy playing the game as much as I do. I also know that the community comes together during tough times, and it is probably no surprise that we are currently in a tough spot right now. There are a number of things that have occurred in the past two weeks that you need to be brought up to date on.

As we have been on this journey to create Pathfinder Online with you for over three years now, we have striven to be as transparent as possible with you. We just shared the following message with the community during our weekly Keepside Chat. In full transparency, here is a quick run down of the state of our game:

EE10.2 is on ZOG for final testing and should roll out to live on Thursday or Friday morning.

EE11 is targeted for the end of September

Ryan Dancey has had to resign from the company for personal reasons (Lisa Stevens will be acting CEO)

Finances are tight at Goblinworks, which has resulted in the layoff of the majority of Goblinworks staff

CTO Mark Kalmes, Art Director Mike Hines, and Designer Bob Settles continue to push the game forward (your monthly subscriptions are what keep these three employed and the server up)

Goblinworks is in talks with multiple game publishers to take the game on and bring it to Open Enrollment

I know that is a lot to take in, so I will share what details we can below:

Game status (EE10.2 and EE11)

We are in final testing before pushing EE10.2 to the live server with its fully revamped and improved new player experience, buy orders for the auction house as well as auction sales histories, settlement chat, and the new crystal ogres monthly event, as well as turning the previous event (The Wrath of Nhur Athemon and its Shadow counterpart) into an ongoing escalation, and making a bunch of bug fixes and improvements. The team has been working hard on this and on EE11 for most of July and August. EE11 is done in design, almost entirely done in art, and just needs a bit more programming to get it to the point where we can test. It will take settlement activities to the next level by allowing you to customize and build your settlements the way you want to. Building a settlement will be a large group task, with lots of raw materials to gather and refine before buildings can be erected. We will also have the dark elves monthly event ready, providing more PVE content for those who are focused on that aspect of the game. The core team has the goal of shipping EE11 by the end of September, and we'll keep you updated on our progress.

Ryan Dancey

Ryan Dancey needed to resign from the company for personal reasons. We were very sad that he needed to leave us, but supported his decision because it is in the best interests of Ryan’s life outside Goblinworks. In Ryan’s absence, the board of directors has appointed me Acting CEO.

Finances

We have always known that we would need a certain amount of money to make Pathfinder Online a reality. Some delays in getting the game to market coupled with some anticipated funding falling through have left us about 75% short of the money we need to finish the game and bring it to Open Enrollment. We knew that we could cut our burn rate (the rate at which expenses burn your cash reserves) by having folks participate in Early Enrollment and that was always the plan, though we never thought that the Early Enrollment subscribers could carry the company to Open Enrollment. We knew we needed that full investment amount to do that. We had numerous times this year where the full funding was dangling in front of us only to be snatched away at the last moment. Very frustrating, but we moved forward and kept looking for somebody to come through with the money we needed to see the game through.

Due to the commitment that you have made to the game, your current subscriptions are able to keep the core team employed and the servers live. We will continue to move the game forward with that team and keep the servers live as long as the continued financial support from the community is there. But that means we need you, the Pathfinder Online Community, to continue to support us with your monthly subscription fees. They are very literally what is keeping the servers paid for, and keeping our core team employed, working on EE11, and talking with various potential partners about purchasing the game so they can finish it. If you wish to see the game through to its finish, we need you to support it financially for the next few months, and if you know people that want to support it, encourage them to subscribe now. (During this period, we will offer only month-to-month subscriptions.)

On August 28, we had to lay off the majority of the Goblinworks staff. Continuing to push the game forward are CTO Mark Kalmes, Art Director Mike Hines, and Designer Bob Settles. We have been keeping the staff abreast of our efforts to find funding for Pathfinder Online and that we would likely have to lay them off on the 28th. We felt it was super important to give our employees warning so they could plan their lives accordingly. Their efforts to line up new jobs led to some of the rumors about layoffs. So why didn’t we announce this earlier? Because there was and still remains a chance for Pathfinder Online to get its funding and continue forward, so it wasn’t a foregone conclusion that we would have to lay the staff off until Friday, the 28th.

Future

For the past few weeks, we have been shopping Pathfinder Online to a number of other game publishers, looking for a good fit to take the game on and fund it over the finish line. There have been quite a few companies coming out of the woodwork to discuss this with us and we are in ongoing talks with a number of them about the possibilities. More companies enter the fray every day. These kinds of things take some time, though we are motivated to see them through as quickly as we can. At any moment, one of these publishers could agree to buy the game and we could quickly ramp up to full tilt again. Due to confidentiality, we can’t provide information on these negotiations. Rest assured that you will be the first people we tell when there is news we can share.

This isn’t a super rosy picture, but we aren’t dead yet! The Goblinworks team and the Pathfinder Online community have been underdogs for pretty much the entire project’s history. But we have persevered and survived. Sometimes it is darkest right before the dawn. When I was at White Wolf, we were close to having our electricity and phones shut off in the month before Vampire: The Masquerade released and became a huge hit. At Wizards of the Coast, we had to lay off the entire staff for 9 months before Magic: The Gathering launched and became one of the most successful games in history. You have my word that I will work relentlessly to find the right partner to take Pathfinder Online through to the finish line. The team has brought the ball down the field to the red zone, and now we just need somebody to punch it over the goal line.

I will be hosting another Keepside Chat on Wednesday, September 8th at its normal time of 5pm PST. You can join the chat live by going to:

Golarion.mumble.com

Port 3093

The ability for us to make Pathfinder Online has always been entirely dependent upon you, the Pathfinder Online Community and the support you have given us. I would like to thank the Pathfinder Online community for your fierce dedication, support, feedback, and drive to see this game made well. The only reason to make Pathfinder Online is you, our customer. I hope you will stay with us over the next few months as we search for that proper partner to finish the game. It is your support, literally, that will allow this to happen. Without you, there is no Pathfinder Online.

You have my eternal gratitude,

Lisa Stevens
Acting CEO
Goblinworks Inc.






Original post:
Goblinworks has laid off all but three of the Pathfinder Online staff.

 

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lyle.spade

Adventurer
I supported both Kickstarters, but never had an interest in playing the game. In the second Kickstarter I got a nice Emerald Spire Superdungeon hardcover book, some cool miniatures, a Pathfinder Tales paperback, and a bunch of Flip-Mats to go along with the Superdungeon. So, I am happy with what I got out of the Kickstarters.

Ditto and ditto and yup. Perhaps that's a side note to this that's not getting any attention: the setting for the MMO is good. Thornkeep is interesting and could make for a solid homebase for a new campaign, or a good place to plug into an existing one. The levels beneath the town are worth exploring - and who doesn't like good, pre-fab dungeons for use when your creative juices are a little low? Same goes for the massive Emerald Spire dungeon.

Again, I don't play PF anymore - too crunchy, too many books to keep track of - but translating those locations and encounters into 5e, or another game, would be easy.

This is the positive on which I've (easily) settled as one of the KS backers. I'm happy with what I got, and glad that they developed interesting story fluff, regardless of the MMO's fate.
 

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JohnnyZemo

Explorer
Again, I don't play PF anymore - too crunchy, too many books to keep track of - but translating those locations and encounters into 5e, or another game, would be easy.

This is the positive on which I've (easily) settled as one of the KS backers. I'm happy with what I got, and glad that they developed interesting story fluff, regardless of the MMO's fate.

Sounds like we are in the same position. I've played lots and lots of Pathfinder, but I am at a point now where I appreciate the relative simplicity of 5E or even Dungeon World. I'm running some 13th Age and Dungeon Crawl Classics as well.
 

ZeshinX

Adventurer
An MMO was not a good choice for Pathfinder RPGs first foray into video games. A stand-alone, offline adventure like a Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights or Skyrim would have been far more likely to actually reach fruition (still iffy, but more likely)....though if I recall there's some kind of licensing snag with OGL and video games (could be wrong).
 

Zil

Explorer
Wow.

I have not followed this at all but knew it was taking a long time, and periodically they were looking for more cash and whatnot.

What does this mean for people who supported the KS and other funding? SOL?

And man..Lisa gave a bit of a guilt trip to current "subscribers" about keeping those 3 people remaining there/employed....she's generally more professional than that.

As JohnnyZemo and others have said, there were still lots of out of MMO goodies such as the Thornkeep and Emerald Spire adventures, miniatures, and various contributed bonus PDFs that went along with the Kickstarters. I have no regrets at buying in to both Kickstarters.

I wonder if part of the problem is that for some folks, such as myself, Pathfinder is about adventures whereas Pathfinder MMO seems to focus more on building a player based crafting, settlement, conflict based economy. There is no adventure in the traditional sense other than the conflict generated between players/settlements or dealing with monster escalations or monsters who happen to be guarding resources you want to collect. I know they really didn't want to focus on traditional "theme park" MMO content generation, but there may be some things they could have done. For instance, I wish the monster escalations were a bit more interesting in that they would eventually evolve into random lairs that were effectively dungeons/castles/cave-based lairs with bosses to make them a bit more interesting.

Anyway, I still hope that Goblinworks manages to pull through and I wish them all the best.
 
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Zil

Explorer
An MMO was not a good choice for Pathfinder RPGs first foray into video games. A stand-alone, offline adventure like a Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights or Skyrim would have been far more likely to actually reach fruition (still iffy, but more likely)....though if I recall there's some kind of licensing snag with OGL and video games (could be wrong).

Yes, I would buy into that: a story based game set somewhere in Golarion like Riddleport or Absalom or the like.
 

Ravenheart87

Explorer
An MMO was not a good choice for Pathfinder RPGs first foray into video games.

An MMO wouldn't have been a bad choice, if they make a PvE Pathfinder MMO which actually fits the tabletop game, ie. you are adventuring in groups and fighting monsters instead of each other. But no, they had to go with a PvP fantasy EVE clone.
 

vonschlick

Explorer
I supported the second kickstarter at Guild level and started a settlement, but eventually sold off my settlement/characters. I am new to MMOs so I wasn't so disappointed at first, but as I tried other games and watched the direction PFO was going in, I felt more and more disappointed. We were a small settlement and were getting killed by pvp every time we left the settlement. Goblinworks was also making it next to impossible to get higher level equipment, upper level training, etc. because we were so small. It just wasn't going in the right direction so most of our settlement members gave up and sold our accounts over a one week period.

My two biggest complaints were that it wasn't Pathfinder at all and the art sucked. I think if it was closer to the Tabletop game and/or had kicka$$ art, I would have still been giving it a chance.

Do I feel ripped off? No, not at all. I got a bunch of tangible stuff from the kickstarter and I was able to sell my account for almost as much as I paid for it. I just feel bad that it was my first MMO and it just didn't work out.
 

Agamon

Adventurer
I feel bad for those affected by this, but honestly, I felt bad for everyone involved with the Kickstarter back when it first appeared.

Man, poor Dancey isn't exactly batting 1.000, is he?

d20 licence leads to d20 bust
D&D OGL leads to Paizo taking over market share
CCP's WoD MMO crashes and burns
now Pathfinder Online...

At least he helped fund L5R's start. I forgive him the rest of that stuff, because 5 Rings is awesome. :)
 

EthanSental

Legend
Supporter
Where are the usual people who seem to enjoy posting how D&D 5e is failing and WoTC is going under when they lay off people? Under their same stupid mindset and comments, Paizo is minutes away from going under.

I saw the twitch feeds and wasn't impressed and after seeing many players comments about the current state of the game, Im not surprised either at this development. I would imagine it was a difficult decision, eating ones pride and having to lay people off in a small company like this.
 

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