I have a question about the Phantasmic Killer spell. If someone casts that spell at me and I have the spellcraft skill, could I use that to determine that it's just an illusion and just skip the will and fortitude save? I am saying this becase if you make the spellcraft skill check (DC 19) than you know that it's that spell.
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Phantasmic Killer
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You can try to ignore the illusionary monster, but it's not automatic. That's what the Will save is for.
If you see a spellcaster waving his arms, and then your worst fear in the world suddenly pops up, you don't need Spellcraft to tell that you're the subject of a spell. Even if you know for certain that the giant pink Easter bunny is illusionary, it's still something that scares you, so it's hard to just pretend it doesn't exist.
If you see a spellcaster waving his arms, and then your worst fear in the world suddenly pops up, you don't need Spellcraft to tell that you're the subject of a spell. Even if you know for certain that the giant pink Easter bunny is illusionary, it's still something that scares you, so it's hard to just pretend it doesn't exist.
Saint Brendan
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If you were playing a character that had a readied action against an opposing spellcaster (in order to use Dispel Magic, for example), and made the DC19 Spellcraft check to know that the spell was Phatasmal Killer, would the character have to interact with the illusion to disbelieve it?
I can't find the definition of "interacted with", but it would seem that knowing the spell is an illusion should 1) allow the player to disbeleive its effects without the will save or 2) give the player a bonus to his will save before the spell creates its effects
I can't find the definition of "interacted with", but it would seem that knowing the spell is an illusion should 1) allow the player to disbeleive its effects without the will save or 2) give the player a bonus to his will save before the spell creates its effects
Trying to disbelieve a Phantasmal Killer is redundant. In 3e, if you interact with an illusion, you get a Will save to realize it's illusory. PK gives you that Will save automatically; saying "I disbelieve" does not gain you anything.Saint Brendan said:
That depends on what kind of illusion it is. For most of the subtypes, if you have "incontrovertible proof" that the illusion is not real, then you don't need to make a save. I.e., if you see an Illusory Wall being cast and make your Spellcraft check, you know it's an illusion (rather than a solid Wall of Stone). Since this spell is a Figment, you see the wall as only a translucent outline.
PK doesn't work that way. A Phantasm is an image placed directly into the mind of the target. It's a mind-affecting spell, and you can't just ignore it, any more than you could just ignore a Charm Person being cast at you.
