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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9018026" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>I don't disagree with this, but this is a problem with all characters ... as I keep saying, it's only underrepresented communities that have this additional burden that they face. </p><p></p><p>I think [USER=3400]@billd91[/USER] did a great job earlier when he was analyzing the issues with the X-Men- the problem wasn't so-called "tokenism," or the inclusion of a gay character, it was that the writers did a bad job with the characters that they had! And you can make this point (consistency of characterizations) without resorting to the "t-word."</p><p></p><p>Since we are going into another writer's strike, I think that Heroes is a good example. Among the many problems with that show after the first season was the problem with <em>inconsistent characterizations; </em>instead of being character-driven, everything was plot-driven and the characters abruptly changed personalities depending on the needs of the plot. </p><p></p><p>To move this back into the issue that we are discovering- Adira may not be the best character ever, but they are actually a pretty decent character, and they are not a token- their issues are really explored over time, and it intersects in interesting ways with both their relationship (with Gray) and with the later questions of identity (with the ship's computer). </p><p></p><p>And this is, to some extent, an echo of issues that we are facing today- this is what all good Star Trek has done ... to re-examine our current issues by putting some "sci fi future-y" gloss on them. To the extent people today think that this isn't subtle, as pointed out previously ... Star Trek has never been subtle.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/explaining-errors-in-star-trek/images/8/80/LTBYLBhd0659.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.gifer.com/FwL7.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://64.media.tumblr.com/9c15d09dcac3421dda4ae3c69e500eb4/48b455082c14f996-a0/s400x600/1a5552b1b385108b76e443c5d4f57ed0bf402882.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://64.media.tumblr.com/451d52d6f52fbeb37635f1157668a26c/86557745abdc5d3a-39/s540x810/0602ec963c1f1006e1e0ab43f7b60e742d964a4c.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="width: 366px" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9018026, member: 7023840"] I don't disagree with this, but this is a problem with all characters ... as I keep saying, it's only underrepresented communities that have this additional burden that they face. I think [USER=3400]@billd91[/USER] did a great job earlier when he was analyzing the issues with the X-Men- the problem wasn't so-called "tokenism," or the inclusion of a gay character, it was that the writers did a bad job with the characters that they had! And you can make this point (consistency of characterizations) without resorting to the "t-word." Since we are going into another writer's strike, I think that Heroes is a good example. Among the many problems with that show after the first season was the problem with [I]inconsistent characterizations; [/I]instead of being character-driven, everything was plot-driven and the characters abruptly changed personalities depending on the needs of the plot. To move this back into the issue that we are discovering- Adira may not be the best character ever, but they are actually a pretty decent character, and they are not a token- their issues are really explored over time, and it intersects in interesting ways with both their relationship (with Gray) and with the later questions of identity (with the ship's computer). And this is, to some extent, an echo of issues that we are facing today- this is what all good Star Trek has done ... to re-examine our current issues by putting some "sci fi future-y" gloss on them. To the extent people today think that this isn't subtle, as pointed out previously ... Star Trek has never been subtle. [IMG]https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/explaining-errors-in-star-trek/images/8/80/LTBYLBhd0659.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.gifer.com/FwL7.gif[/IMG] [IMG]https://64.media.tumblr.com/9c15d09dcac3421dda4ae3c69e500eb4/48b455082c14f996-a0/s400x600/1a5552b1b385108b76e443c5d4f57ed0bf402882.gif[/IMG] [IMG width="366px"]https://64.media.tumblr.com/451d52d6f52fbeb37635f1157668a26c/86557745abdc5d3a-39/s540x810/0602ec963c1f1006e1e0ab43f7b60e742d964a4c.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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