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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9217960" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I would argue that you cannot randomly substitute monster rules either. If you purely randomized a statblock by taking the entire MM and shoving it through a randomizer, you would not have a functional piece of the rules, just as doing the same for a PC would lead to the same result. </p><p></p><p>I can agree that from a "learning the rules for the first time" perspective, or a computer game perspective, the PHB is the most important. It has the fundamental rules of the game. However, while you could in theory homemake every single monster in the game if the MM never existed... that's not how anyone actually plays the game. And it does contain rules text, it is a core rulebook after all. I'm not making any claims that someone without the MM cannot possibly play the game, simply that the book contains rules. I mean, if someone was cursed to have the gaze of a medusa.. you would be referencing rules text to apply that ability, in the same way you would if someone had the Bard's Bardic Inspiration. </p><p></p><p>The DMG might not have a as many fundamental rules, such as how to roll a D20, but it does contain rules. And while you are presenting this as a middle ground option... it isn't. My <strong><em>entire</em></strong> position was that these two books contain rule text. Rules for firearms and modern weapons, rules for businesses, rules for poisons, rules for siege weapons, rules for damaging objects, rules for the various planes of existence. If you want to argue how vital the rules are to the game, or how useful they are, or how easy they are to change, feel free. However, my argument was that these rules exist, and are rules. Quite simple.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9217960, member: 6801228"] I would argue that you cannot randomly substitute monster rules either. If you purely randomized a statblock by taking the entire MM and shoving it through a randomizer, you would not have a functional piece of the rules, just as doing the same for a PC would lead to the same result. I can agree that from a "learning the rules for the first time" perspective, or a computer game perspective, the PHB is the most important. It has the fundamental rules of the game. However, while you could in theory homemake every single monster in the game if the MM never existed... that's not how anyone actually plays the game. And it does contain rules text, it is a core rulebook after all. I'm not making any claims that someone without the MM cannot possibly play the game, simply that the book contains rules. I mean, if someone was cursed to have the gaze of a medusa.. you would be referencing rules text to apply that ability, in the same way you would if someone had the Bard's Bardic Inspiration. The DMG might not have a as many fundamental rules, such as how to roll a D20, but it does contain rules. And while you are presenting this as a middle ground option... it isn't. My [B][I]entire[/I][/B] position was that these two books contain rule text. Rules for firearms and modern weapons, rules for businesses, rules for poisons, rules for siege weapons, rules for damaging objects, rules for the various planes of existence. If you want to argue how vital the rules are to the game, or how useful they are, or how easy they are to change, feel free. However, my argument was that these rules exist, and are rules. Quite simple. [/QUOTE]
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