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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9218852" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>To "train" equates to training in a skill, namely the Arcane skill proficiency (or perhaps Religion for Divine, Nature for Primal, or Insight for Psionic).</p><p></p><p>Untrained people can "fumble" a d20 ability check to try perform a ritual, but sometimes get the ritual right.</p><p></p><p>A trained person is likelier to perform the same ritual successfully, but can go wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In most reallife theories of magic, which fantasy borrows from generally, both effort and intention are equally important. The effort is the physical expression, where a particular communal culture often transmits music, words, body gestures, objects, etcetera. The intention is the mindful focus and purpose of the effort. A community might have a ritual intended for the community to perform. An individual might have idiosyncratic methods. But in all cases, both effort and intention are important.</p><p></p><p>A strong intention with less expressive effort can be successful, and a weak intention with heightened expressive effort can be successful. But both intention and effort must be present to some degree. Strong intention with minimal expressive effort is like D&D psionics. Weak intention with elaborate expressive effort is like an untrained person who for the sake of entertainment is performing a ritual.</p><p></p><p>Notably, in Norse magical traditions, there are no "magic words". To insist on magic words is ethnocentric. In Norse masculine and Sámi traditions, verbalization is spontaneous singing, wordless musical chanting to focus intention. Any actual words that come up during the chanting are impromptu and for the purpose of focusing the intention. Compare "joik". Note, in Norse feminine magical traditions, words are verbal commands (without music), and are likewise situational and impromptu.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9218852, member: 58172"] To "train" equates to training in a skill, namely the Arcane skill proficiency (or perhaps Religion for Divine, Nature for Primal, or Insight for Psionic). Untrained people can "fumble" a d20 ability check to try perform a ritual, but sometimes get the ritual right. A trained person is likelier to perform the same ritual successfully, but can go wrong. In most reallife theories of magic, which fantasy borrows from generally, both effort and intention are equally important. The effort is the physical expression, where a particular communal culture often transmits music, words, body gestures, objects, etcetera. The intention is the mindful focus and purpose of the effort. A community might have a ritual intended for the community to perform. An individual might have idiosyncratic methods. But in all cases, both effort and intention are important. A strong intention with less expressive effort can be successful, and a weak intention with heightened expressive effort can be successful. But both intention and effort must be present to some degree. Strong intention with minimal expressive effort is like D&D psionics. Weak intention with elaborate expressive effort is like an untrained person who for the sake of entertainment is performing a ritual. Notably, in Norse magical traditions, there are no "magic words". To insist on magic words is ethnocentric. In Norse masculine and Sámi traditions, verbalization is spontaneous singing, wordless musical chanting to focus intention. Any actual words that come up during the chanting are impromptu and for the purpose of focusing the intention. Compare "joik". Note, in Norse feminine magical traditions, words are verbal commands (without music), and are likewise situational and impromptu. [/QUOTE]
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