zoroaster100
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I can't imagine that they intentionally are trying to force the evoker to be better with non-evocation cantrips. That goes against the whole notion of an evocation specialist.
Side note: Diviners and enchanters have fairly distinct roles, but knowledge clerics, some warlocks, and (presumably) psions each sorta walk all over the distinction. Is reading thoughts a divination power or an enchantment? How about controlling thoughts with spells? It's a nebulous area.
Seems reasonable to me, since they have absolute control over all spells and their schools. If you want to spend a feat to improve the miss-damage on your cantrips, then that seems about right for a feat.Surely they aren't balancing an entire ability on the category of a spell? A wizard could just take the Magic Initiate feat and take Sacred Flame to use both Empowered Evocation and Potent Cantrip.
There are not. There are only two wizard cantrips that require a saving throw: acid splash and poison spray, and both are conjuration.Are there any wizard cantrips in the PHB that are evocation and require a saving throw?
Very nice! The first one is way too good but the "reliable" one seems like it's both reasonable AND in the spirit of what they were trying to do. LOVE the third one, though: but I doubt it would fly because there are shaping up to be a bunch of things that have resistances and immunities and that seems to be a balancing point. I think it would also be called the "terrasque killer" since that'd be the only way a wizard could hurt one.PS: Somone displeased with "ImPotent Cantrip" might want to take a look at these. Not tested, but I think reasonable!
While it does actually work now (as it did not before the PH), it still only works on conjuration cantrips even though its an evoker subclass feature.
I actually think it's pretty stark and easily defined.IMO, a lot of those conjuration spells should probably be evocation spells anyway.
Because if you asked me what the difference was between "I conjure a ball of acid and throw it at my foes!" and "I evoke a ball of fire and throw it at my foes!", I would be all lol idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The distinction seems to be the difference between making an active attack with the energy from the spell, and just making the material appear and boning anyone in the radius of destruction, but daaaang, that's a fine distinction in a lot of these situations.
I can't imagine that they intentionally are trying to force the evoker to be better with non-evocation cantrips. That goes against the whole notion of an evocation specialist.
I actually think it's pretty stark and easily defined.
Acid splash and poison spray (and other damaging conjurations) create physical substances (acid and poison). Evocations shoot energy at people.
If there are spells that break this rule, those are the ones you should complain about for muddying the waters.
evilbob said:Very nice! The first one is way too good but the "reliable" one seems like it's both reasonable AND in the spirit of what they were trying to do. LOVE the third one, though: but I doubt it would fly because there are shaping up to be a bunch of things that have resistances and immunities and that seems to be a balancing point. I think it would also be called the "terrasque killer" since that'd be the only way a wizard could hurt one
Over on the WotC forums people came to some interesting conclusions. The main one is that not having potent cantrip apply to evocation cantrips is probably intentional. The reason for this is that empowered evocation stacked with potent cantrip would make non-evocation cantrips extremely inferior choices. As it is now, some people argue that empowered evocation with evocation cantrips still outclasses potent cantrip on acid splash (and it uncontestably does on poison spray). Acid splash with potent cantrip is useful if you are attacking two targets. It wouldn't even be worth taking if it didn't get something that evocations don't.
Now, I suppose someone could argue that it is only the evoker subclass that this would be true of. For another wizard, acid splash is just as good of a choice if you plan to be routinely targeting multiple creatures.
Remember, you only get a limited number of cantrips, and every choice matters. They want to make sure there is a reason to pick something like acid splash.