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<blockquote data-quote="the_move" data-source="post: 6867150" data-attributes="member: 6804624"><p>Stop for a moment there. By that thought if I pick up Tavern Brawler it would negate the effect of the Dueling Fighting style. It will definately do so, when I use my shield for a bonus action attack on my turn while attacking with my sword primarily. But as long as I do not use my shield like that Dueling will still be applied (to my sword attacks). </p><p></p><p>Now, when I use my shield as a weapon during my attack action while having my other hand free I do not see any reason why Dueling should not be granted. Dueling needs a melee weapon. It does not state simple or martial melee weapon, just melee weapon. There are 3 categories at least, not two. Simple, martial and improvised. The only difference is, that the improvised weapon category does not provide a list, because it would be endless as such.</p><p></p><p>I do not see any line in the paragraph, stating that improvised weapons do not count as weapons when used with spells/effects. GFB/BB requires a melee attack done with a weapon, and Dueling says a melee weapon. No word about simple or martial. Further I do not see the abuse in this.</p><p></p><p>You think some might dual wield two shields for a twice the AC +1 for the feat, don't you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the_move, post: 6867150, member: 6804624"] Stop for a moment there. By that thought if I pick up Tavern Brawler it would negate the effect of the Dueling Fighting style. It will definately do so, when I use my shield for a bonus action attack on my turn while attacking with my sword primarily. But as long as I do not use my shield like that Dueling will still be applied (to my sword attacks). Now, when I use my shield as a weapon during my attack action while having my other hand free I do not see any reason why Dueling should not be granted. Dueling needs a melee weapon. It does not state simple or martial melee weapon, just melee weapon. There are 3 categories at least, not two. Simple, martial and improvised. The only difference is, that the improvised weapon category does not provide a list, because it would be endless as such. I do not see any line in the paragraph, stating that improvised weapons do not count as weapons when used with spells/effects. GFB/BB requires a melee attack done with a weapon, and Dueling says a melee weapon. No word about simple or martial. Further I do not see the abuse in this. You think some might dual wield two shields for a twice the AC +1 for the feat, don't you? [/QUOTE]
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