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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6045527"><p>Nit-picking on if demons can really make babies or not aside, most "evil spells" have good-aligned counterparts.</p><p></p><p>Grabbing this from the PFOGC site</p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">She also has Ener<span style="font-size: 10px">gy Drain and Profane Gift.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">First, detect good can easily be replaced with detect evil. Seems fitting for a succubus raised by a church. Tongues is alignment neutral and pretty natural for a creature that b<span style="font-size: 10px">y design needs to interact with multiple species<span style="font-size: 10px">/socities.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Charm M<span style="font-size: 10px">onster is really neither good or evil<span style="font-size: 10px">, same with Detect thoughts, ether<span style="font-size: 10px">eal jaunt and greater teleport. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Vampiric touch should likely be replaced with some form of healing. Dominate person would also IMO, get a similar replacement, perhaps a simple "<span style="font-size: 10px">UN-dominate person"<span style="font-size: 10px">. Seeing as the good-aligned succubus uses her natural seduc<span style="font-size: 10px">tion ability to smack some sense <span style="font-size: 10px">into those magically dominated.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">I'd keep summon, but give her some sort of chaotic good <span style="font-size: 10px">beast <span style="font-size: 10px">instead of<span style="font-size: 10px"> a lesser demon. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Profane Gift becomes "Holy <span style="font-size: 10px">Blessing", which does all the same things but is good-aligned.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Energy Drain doesn't really come across well, perhaps something that restores a level?<span style="font-size: 10px"> Given that <span style="font-size: 10px">a good-aligned succubus would likely eschew sex entirely, and the use of energy drain is bas<span style="font-size: 10px">ed on <span style="font-size: 10px">well...the deed, I think it could be ignored entirely, or replaced with something flavorfully holy-themed for a rare instance of say...true love<span style="font-size: 10px">(the only opp<span style="font-size: 10px">osite to <span style="font-size: 10px">lustful passion that comes to mind).</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">So you'd have something like this:</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Detect Good, Tongues</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Charm Monster, Detect Thoughts, Ethereal Jaunt, Greater Teleport.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Greater Heal, U<span style="font-size: 10px">n<span style="font-size: 10px">-Dominate Person.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Holy <span style="font-size: 10px">Blessing, *Something Special*<span style="font-size: 10px">.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">I dunno, thoughts<span style="font-size: 10px">...so many. It would make your succubus more of a backup healer than the more melee-oriented base succubus.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wanted to reference this since I feel it's relevent.</p><p></p><p>PC's and important other NPCs are considered "unique" in 3.X and beyond. They do not need to hold to traditional racial, social or fantasy tropes because they are PCs and special NPCs.</p><p></p><p>Given that in an entire demonic spawning pit, they found only <em>one</em> child, I think it would be fair to reason that both child and mother are unique. Perhaps the reason that so many demons were around this particular spawning pit was because of how incredibly rare the child was.</p><p></p><p>So I would say both the succubus NPC and her mother, whatever sort of creature that was, would be considered "unique" and thus given a pass on having to perfectly align with the rest of their species.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 6045527"] Nit-picking on if demons can really make babies or not aside, most "evil spells" have good-aligned counterparts. Grabbing this from the PFOGC site [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]She also has Ener[SIZE=2]gy Drain and Profane Gift.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]First, detect good can easily be replaced with detect evil. Seems fitting for a succubus raised by a church. Tongues is alignment neutral and pretty natural for a creature that b[SIZE=2]y design needs to interact with multiple species[SIZE=2]/socities. [SIZE=2]Charm M[SIZE=2]onster is really neither good or evil[SIZE=2], same with Detect thoughts, ether[SIZE=2]eal jaunt and greater teleport. [SIZE=2]Vampiric touch should likely be replaced with some form of healing. Dominate person would also IMO, get a similar replacement, perhaps a simple "[SIZE=2]UN-dominate person"[SIZE=2]. Seeing as the good-aligned succubus uses her natural seduc[SIZE=2]tion ability to smack some sense [SIZE=2]into those magically dominated. [SIZE=2]I'd keep summon, but give her some sort of chaotic good [SIZE=2]beast [SIZE=2]instead of[SIZE=2] a lesser demon. [SIZE=2]Profane Gift becomes "Holy [SIZE=2]Blessing", which does all the same things but is good-aligned. [SIZE=2]Energy Drain doesn't really come across well, perhaps something that restores a level?[SIZE=2] Given that [SIZE=2]a good-aligned succubus would likely eschew sex entirely, and the use of energy drain is bas[SIZE=2]ed on [SIZE=2]well...the deed, I think it could be ignored entirely, or replaced with something flavorfully holy-themed for a rare instance of say...true love[SIZE=2](the only opp[SIZE=2]osite to [SIZE=2]lustful passion that comes to mind).[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]So you'd have something like this: [SIZE=2]Detect Good, Tongues [SIZE=2]Charm Monster, Detect Thoughts, Ethereal Jaunt, Greater Teleport. [SIZE=2]Greater Heal, U[SIZE=2]n[SIZE=2]-Dominate Person. [SIZE=2]Holy [SIZE=2]Blessing, *Something Special*[SIZE=2]. [SIZE=2]I dunno, thoughts[SIZE=2]...so many. It would make your succubus more of a backup healer than the more melee-oriented base succubus.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] I wanted to reference this since I feel it's relevent. PC's and important other NPCs are considered "unique" in 3.X and beyond. They do not need to hold to traditional racial, social or fantasy tropes because they are PCs and special NPCs. Given that in an entire demonic spawning pit, they found only [I]one[/I] child, I think it would be fair to reason that both child and mother are unique. Perhaps the reason that so many demons were around this particular spawning pit was because of how incredibly rare the child was. So I would say both the succubus NPC and her mother, whatever sort of creature that was, would be considered "unique" and thus given a pass on having to perfectly align with the rest of their species. [/QUOTE]
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