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<blockquote data-quote="Igwilly" data-source="post: 7037331" data-attributes="member: 6801225"><p>[MENTION=6704184]doctorbadwolf[/MENTION] that was insightful. I perhaps will look further with this information. Thanks!</p><p> [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION] here we go…</p><p></p><p>First, remember that genre definitions aren’t as clear as someone (like me) may want. Especially in speculative fiction. Science fiction itself is vague. So is fantasy. And don’t make me start about science fantasy (one of my preferred genres). We just live with it.</p><p>Second: Retrofuturism itself is punk. A retrofuturistic work doesn’t need to be a dystopia or be about class struggle or anything like that. It can actually be a perfect utopia in which people shoot rainbows out of their bows. It still is punk, because of the very meaning of this movement.</p><p>Third: you are right about historical fiction not being retrofuturism. Actually, the first thing I did before posting the initial post here was to make sure that “sandalpunk” and “candlepunk/castlepunk” weren’t just another name for “Antiquity and Middle Ages”. Apparently, they are not. That’s why I started the thread.</p><p>Forth: you may have misunderstood my intentions about Formicapunk. I’m not talking about “is this genre or that one?” sort of thing. Rather, perhaps better developing it.</p><p>The intention about Cassette Futurism seems to be “retrofuturism based around 1970-2000”. It’s a pretty clear one for me; I think it’s valid. But what kind of consequences appear? If we’re talking about being mainly analogical computing instead of digital one, that’s a route. Apparently common elements are the small-but-underpowered cellphones, no CDs and derivatives – no optical storage perhaps – even computers aren’t quite like ours. Of course, we still have flying cars (even flying skates), and we are much better at storing data even in the old ways. No internet, of course, but advanced video-phones could bring people closer. And so on.</p><p>There’s one strong picture I’ve found: someone with a peculiar wristwatch; it has a small TV screen on it; and that someone is inserting a very small cassette tape, apparently to watch it. I imagine TV devices are still tube televisions, but much better – that is, have a much better definition. </p><p>I could talk stuff like that all day, but that’s another topic.</p><p>Fifth: unifying points 2 and 4, I think you’re thinking about this too logically. Retrofuturism isn’t an intellectual exercise about extrapolating a past technology to fantastic ways. There’s a whole group of ideas, believes, feelings, fears, history and all such things that shapes the movement. No matter if it’s science fiction, fantasy, science fantasy or anything else: it’s ultimately literature; that is, art.</p><p>Sixth: I’m just learning about Castlepunk or Candlepunk – I prefer the latter but both are acceptable, it seems. I’m not the one who’ll answer you about what it is; that’s outside my area for now <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Igwilly, post: 7037331, member: 6801225"] [MENTION=6704184]doctorbadwolf[/MENTION] that was insightful. I perhaps will look further with this information. Thanks! [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION] here we go… First, remember that genre definitions aren’t as clear as someone (like me) may want. Especially in speculative fiction. Science fiction itself is vague. So is fantasy. And don’t make me start about science fantasy (one of my preferred genres). We just live with it. Second: Retrofuturism itself is punk. A retrofuturistic work doesn’t need to be a dystopia or be about class struggle or anything like that. It can actually be a perfect utopia in which people shoot rainbows out of their bows. It still is punk, because of the very meaning of this movement. Third: you are right about historical fiction not being retrofuturism. Actually, the first thing I did before posting the initial post here was to make sure that “sandalpunk” and “candlepunk/castlepunk” weren’t just another name for “Antiquity and Middle Ages”. Apparently, they are not. That’s why I started the thread. Forth: you may have misunderstood my intentions about Formicapunk. I’m not talking about “is this genre or that one?” sort of thing. Rather, perhaps better developing it. The intention about Cassette Futurism seems to be “retrofuturism based around 1970-2000”. It’s a pretty clear one for me; I think it’s valid. But what kind of consequences appear? If we’re talking about being mainly analogical computing instead of digital one, that’s a route. Apparently common elements are the small-but-underpowered cellphones, no CDs and derivatives – no optical storage perhaps – even computers aren’t quite like ours. Of course, we still have flying cars (even flying skates), and we are much better at storing data even in the old ways. No internet, of course, but advanced video-phones could bring people closer. And so on. There’s one strong picture I’ve found: someone with a peculiar wristwatch; it has a small TV screen on it; and that someone is inserting a very small cassette tape, apparently to watch it. I imagine TV devices are still tube televisions, but much better – that is, have a much better definition. I could talk stuff like that all day, but that’s another topic. Fifth: unifying points 2 and 4, I think you’re thinking about this too logically. Retrofuturism isn’t an intellectual exercise about extrapolating a past technology to fantastic ways. There’s a whole group of ideas, believes, feelings, fears, history and all such things that shapes the movement. No matter if it’s science fiction, fantasy, science fantasy or anything else: it’s ultimately literature; that is, art. Sixth: I’m just learning about Castlepunk or Candlepunk – I prefer the latter but both are acceptable, it seems. I’m not the one who’ll answer you about what it is; that’s outside my area for now :D [/QUOTE]
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