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Rope Trick VS Discern Location... Rope Trick wins!!!
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<blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5996249" data-attributes="member: 6674931"><p>This is where I strongly disagree. Discern location does not give "everything" to find the place. It gives you location names. If the locations happen to be named, that is fine, if not...well the caster was unlucky. </p><p>Example:</p><p>You are in the middle of a vast desert and someone casts Discern Location to find you. What more can he know apart that you are in that specific desert? Nothing.</p><p></p><p>Is the spell going to start describing dune designs so as to specify the location? No. This is impossible.</p><p></p><p>The spell does not "describe", does not draw out maps, does not "help picture". it simply states locations as far as those locations have some sort of name.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because when you zoom out from the extradimensional space you do not see places related to the material plane. You are NOT in the material plane, you are even beyond the planes as described by Rope Trick. </p><p>Therefore you see whatever chaotic and nameless exists beyond that space (perhaps extradimensional spaces are covered in some book? The Manual of Planes? I wouldn't know).</p><p></p><p>To make it clearer:</p><p></p><p>Lets say I am in London, in a hotel, in a room with a number, and that I cast a spell similar to Rope Trick only that it opens a portal into a hotel room in New York. When I go through the portal, I am no longer in Europe, England, London etc... I now am in USA, New York etc etc... So anyone casting Discern Location to find me. Gets the information related to New York, not London.</p><p>Same thing happens with our spell, Rope Trick, only that the "room" it teleports us in is so unspecified, in such an unspecified space and plane that it serves us not to know something about it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No the DM cannot do that per RAW, He is obliged to "zoom out" his information. Starting and continuing by places with some sort of name... any sort of name.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jimlock, post: 5996249, member: 6674931"] This is where I strongly disagree. Discern location does not give "everything" to find the place. It gives you location names. If the locations happen to be named, that is fine, if not...well the caster was unlucky. Example: You are in the middle of a vast desert and someone casts Discern Location to find you. What more can he know apart that you are in that specific desert? Nothing. Is the spell going to start describing dune designs so as to specify the location? No. This is impossible. The spell does not "describe", does not draw out maps, does not "help picture". it simply states locations as far as those locations have some sort of name. Because when you zoom out from the extradimensional space you do not see places related to the material plane. You are NOT in the material plane, you are even beyond the planes as described by Rope Trick. Therefore you see whatever chaotic and nameless exists beyond that space (perhaps extradimensional spaces are covered in some book? The Manual of Planes? I wouldn't know). To make it clearer: Lets say I am in London, in a hotel, in a room with a number, and that I cast a spell similar to Rope Trick only that it opens a portal into a hotel room in New York. When I go through the portal, I am no longer in Europe, England, London etc... I now am in USA, New York etc etc... So anyone casting Discern Location to find me. Gets the information related to New York, not London. Same thing happens with our spell, Rope Trick, only that the "room" it teleports us in is so unspecified, in such an unspecified space and plane that it serves us not to know something about it. No the DM cannot do that per RAW, He is obliged to "zoom out" his information. Starting and continuing by places with some sort of name... any sort of name. [/QUOTE]
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