Shotguns

Dareoon Dalandrove · Jan 18, 2003

Does it have pictures for everything? How are the stats for the weapons?

Ranger REG · Jan 18, 2003

It has B&W illustration of almost everything. Download out the preview at Green Ronin:

http://www.greenronin.com/files/UFd20_pre.pdf

Prince Atom · Jan 24, 2003

Okay, Henry, how does CoC handle autofire?

I know in d20M you target an area, make an attack against Def 15, and then everybody in the area has to make a Reflex save for half damage if you hit.... Clunky, maybe, but definitely better than other systems (coughGURPScough) where you have to roll an attack roll for each bullet, and calculate scatter, and do the hokey pokey, etc.

TWK

Skanth · Jan 24, 2003

The other thing that seems to be missing from d20m shotguns is the ability to 'blast em with both barrels'.

I was thinking of giving anyone the ability to double tap with a double barreled shotgun.

Ranger REG · Jan 24, 2003

Actually, according to the sawed-off shotgun stats and description (the only double-barrelled shotgun mentioned in the d20M Core Rulebook) it is considered semiautomatic, which definitely means it can qualify for Double Tap.

So you don't really need to houserule it.

Skanth · Jan 27, 2003

I'd house rule it because while firing twice in one attack with a semi-automatic would require some sort of skill and dexterity (i.e a feat). Blasting with both barrels of a shotgun just requires you to fully pull the trigger. Something that an ordinary person would be incapable of doing according to the rules.

Ranger REG · Jan 28, 2003

Then use the Double Tap description for firing both rounds of a DB shotgun. The drawback in addition to the penalty, you can only do that once per round. (Unless there are DB shotguns that carry more rounds internally ... I doubt it though but correct me if I'm wrong).

Thain · Jan 29, 2003

I've never heard of a DB shotgun that was anything other than a breech-loader; but god knows there are a hundred-thousand variants, homemades and failed prototypes out there...

Of course, if you really want to hose anything with that many slugs, the Pancor Jackhammer might be the way to go. (Granted, it has never entered series production, but you can find the things out there on the market.)

Autofire shotguns... who knew IRL weapons designers were Shadowrun players? ^-^.

Albert_Fish · Jan 30, 2003

here are some shot gun ideas

this one is just freaky!
http://www.birdman.org/products/DoTheDew.htm

here is an interesting description
"12 ga. only, 12 shot rotary mag., paramilitary configuration with 18 in. barrel, double action, folding stock, 9-3/4 lbs. Restricted sales following the ATF classification as a "destructive device". Mfg. 1989-approx. 1995."

and here is the Cylinder for sucha weapon
http://www.tapco.com/product_information.asp?number=MAG9302&back=yes&dept=73&last=73

and the accompaning pic
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0700/745.htm

similar weapons were used for "clearing" parts of vietnam.
and here is the striker 12 stats
http://www.pennarms.com/striker12specs.html

as far as i recall a fully auto 12 shot shotgun did exist, but i am coming up blank on websearches.

Your friendly, neighborhood nut

Albert_Fish · Jan 30, 2003

sorry for the double post but type these into your favourite serach engine
Heckler and koch CAW
Mark 3-A2 (shotgun)
USAS-12

all three are auto shotguns, the USAS has little to no kick....the H&K is a bullpup, i am unaware of the Mark 3-A2.