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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3449979" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Huh?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, that's not what I said. I said that people with a good dex are normally stronger than people with a low dex. </p><p></p><p>Does a soccer player have a good dex? Well, again, here we must ask what 'dexterity' means, and unfortunately, in D&D it means to many unrelated things. The English word 'dexterity' refers to skill with ones hands. A person can have alot of 'dexterity' without having a particularly high dexterity in D&D terms. That's because the D&D attribute dexterity also includes things like flexibility, agility, coordination, and raw speed that are only loosely connected to manual dexterity. We could expect to find people with alot of agility, that have hands like meat clubs and we could expect to find people with alot of dexterity - say skilled piano players - who are as stiff as boards and who wouldn't have the reflexes to play a sport. </p><p></p><p>Soccer players are - if they are good - certainly agile people with quick feet, fast reflexes, and a rapid easy grace to thier movements. And to do that, one of the preconditions is that you have to be strong enough to accelerate your own mass quickly. And if you can do that, you are far stronger than average people. But this causes us another problem. What does strong mean? Once again, D&D's definition of strength is of little help because it bundles many things together. In real life, the sort of person that can hurl a javelin a great distance or punch you hard in the face, or who can jump explosively, isn't necessarily the same sort of person that can carry or drag or push a great weight and vica versa. If it were, 'tough guys' would necessarily make the best boxers.</p><p></p><p>I use to play soccer with a guy who was really good. Selected for 'All State', full atheletic scholarship to play soccer, all time scoring leader for state at the High School level. He could hurl a ball from the sideline over the width of the pitch. He could kick a shot on goal with a pace on it from mid-field. He had like a 38 in vertical, and could slam dunk a basketball even though he was just 5'7" or so. All these things require a great deal of strength, far more than I've got. Yet if it came to a shoving match between us, he'd probably have been disadvantaged. His muscles were all whips and wires. He had alot of power, but he wasn't necessarily that 'strong'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3449979, member: 4937"] Huh? First of all, that's not what I said. I said that people with a good dex are normally stronger than people with a low dex. Does a soccer player have a good dex? Well, again, here we must ask what 'dexterity' means, and unfortunately, in D&D it means to many unrelated things. The English word 'dexterity' refers to skill with ones hands. A person can have alot of 'dexterity' without having a particularly high dexterity in D&D terms. That's because the D&D attribute dexterity also includes things like flexibility, agility, coordination, and raw speed that are only loosely connected to manual dexterity. We could expect to find people with alot of agility, that have hands like meat clubs and we could expect to find people with alot of dexterity - say skilled piano players - who are as stiff as boards and who wouldn't have the reflexes to play a sport. Soccer players are - if they are good - certainly agile people with quick feet, fast reflexes, and a rapid easy grace to thier movements. And to do that, one of the preconditions is that you have to be strong enough to accelerate your own mass quickly. And if you can do that, you are far stronger than average people. But this causes us another problem. What does strong mean? Once again, D&D's definition of strength is of little help because it bundles many things together. In real life, the sort of person that can hurl a javelin a great distance or punch you hard in the face, or who can jump explosively, isn't necessarily the same sort of person that can carry or drag or push a great weight and vica versa. If it were, 'tough guys' would necessarily make the best boxers. I use to play soccer with a guy who was really good. Selected for 'All State', full atheletic scholarship to play soccer, all time scoring leader for state at the High School level. He could hurl a ball from the sideline over the width of the pitch. He could kick a shot on goal with a pace on it from mid-field. He had like a 38 in vertical, and could slam dunk a basketball even though he was just 5'7" or so. All these things require a great deal of strength, far more than I've got. Yet if it came to a shoving match between us, he'd probably have been disadvantaged. His muscles were all whips and wires. He had alot of power, but he wasn't necessarily that 'strong'. [/QUOTE]
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