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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7466159" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>Essentially, the PCs had been chasing fleeing goblins well before they reached the pillared hall. It was a hit and run battle until they drove off a group of goblins, then barricaded a supply room and set the contents ablaze to shut that down as a way to get around the party for a flank. At that point the PCs busted into a chamber with a white dragon wyrmling (which connected to the pillared hall). While they dealt with knocking out the dragon and tying it up, the goblins they chased off gathered some reinforcements in the pillared hall and waited. When the PCs entered, the events that led to the outcome of the original post kicked off.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, as noted, even as they fought the 7 goblins in the pillared hall, they could see the goblins in the warren to the west through the open doorway rallying. It wasn't bad luck that they later decided to have their hireling kick in the door after an opportunity to withdraw presented itself - it was hubris.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it is equally logical for Wartiak (the goblin wounded by Drongo) to slap awake the goblin Xutz and shout at Xutz to wake up Stet and so on as he made his way into the warrens. </p><p></p><p>The form of argument you present here is very common in my experience on D&D forums: The monster "would" do this or "will" do that. In order to arrive at that conclusion, you have to be operating from presuppositions and said presuppositions are <em>not </em>axiomatic. It is far better in my view to operate from a position of "The monster <em>could </em>do this" or "The monster <em>might </em>do that." It simply makes more sense to do so given the mutability of the fiction.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mentioned the goblins' sleep apnea upthread. That removes the uncertainty from the determination and thus there's no need for an ability check to resolve an outcome for the goblin's action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7466159, member: 97077"] Essentially, the PCs had been chasing fleeing goblins well before they reached the pillared hall. It was a hit and run battle until they drove off a group of goblins, then barricaded a supply room and set the contents ablaze to shut that down as a way to get around the party for a flank. At that point the PCs busted into a chamber with a white dragon wyrmling (which connected to the pillared hall). While they dealt with knocking out the dragon and tying it up, the goblins they chased off gathered some reinforcements in the pillared hall and waited. When the PCs entered, the events that led to the outcome of the original post kicked off. The thing is, as noted, even as they fought the 7 goblins in the pillared hall, they could see the goblins in the warren to the west through the open doorway rallying. It wasn't bad luck that they later decided to have their hireling kick in the door after an opportunity to withdraw presented itself - it was hubris. I think it is equally logical for Wartiak (the goblin wounded by Drongo) to slap awake the goblin Xutz and shout at Xutz to wake up Stet and so on as he made his way into the warrens. The form of argument you present here is very common in my experience on D&D forums: The monster "would" do this or "will" do that. In order to arrive at that conclusion, you have to be operating from presuppositions and said presuppositions are [I]not [/I]axiomatic. It is far better in my view to operate from a position of "The monster [I]could [/I]do this" or "The monster [I]might [/I]do that." It simply makes more sense to do so given the mutability of the fiction. I mentioned the goblins' sleep apnea upthread. That removes the uncertainty from the determination and thus there's no need for an ability check to resolve an outcome for the goblin's action. [/QUOTE]
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