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Copies of Spelljammer are starting to show up. Mike Long of Tribality is in receipt of the books and has tweeted some photos!

 

[Maxperson]

And something that covers wild talents.
Although the telepathic and telekinetic feats of tasha could work, if you granted background feats anyway.

So you could chose to have one or instead get a different little advantage.

A first level background feat covers wild talents and could include those.

 

[darjr]

Oh yes! The inspiration section should absolutely be considered for inclusion.

Spoiler

 

[TwoSix]

1: Some classes not available.
2: Some classes with new specific subclasses only(elemental cleric, warlock templars, etc.)
3: Some new materials to make weapons and armor out of that can break, like bone, chitin and obsidian.
4. Defiling
5. Psions(and more psionic subclasses)
6. Dragons and avangions

There are some rules and subclass additions, but they've done that sort of thing with other settings. I don't see anything that would require rules tinkering, though.

I think we just have different meanings of "tinkering" if that list above doesn't mean "tinkering" to you.

 

[Maxperson]

I think we just have different meanings of "tinkering" if that list above doesn't mean "tinkering" to you.

Let's just say that it doesn't mean "tinkering" to any greater degree than we've seen in other settings.

 

[Yaarel]

A first level background feat covers wild talents and could include those.

I think a background feat can handle a choice of either wild talent, defiling, or other feat.

Defiling in the sense of desiccating plants and creatures happens automatically. But to derive benefit from it takes training, and indeed is a guarded secret.

It occurs to me, the ssurran and the thri-kreen access a similar trait, but only one is called "defile". Thri-kreen targets one creature, but ssurran area-affects both creatures and plants. Only the one that destroys plants is called "defile".

Arcane powers can destroy plants and harm creatures automatically. But to harness the energy of such destruction is difficult. To intentionally destroy life for such benefit is to "defile".

Notably, different discoveries and different techniques can derive different benefits from defilement. So there is no contradiction between ssurrans who restore hit points, and dragon sorcerer traditions that enhance arcane spells. Both defile but for different benefits.

For arcane, the benefit can be simple, either advantage or disadvantage, whichever is favorable to the caster, including imposing disadvantage on saves. It requires a feat. It requires actual plants within 10 feet, which can be rare on the planet.

 

[Remathilis]

Let's just say that it doesn't mean "tinkering" to any greater degree than we've seen in other settings.

We have seen five classic settings (Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, Greyhawk via Saltmarsh, and Dragonlance upcoming) plus two new setting (Exandria/Wildmount and Radiant Citadel) three official MTG settings (Ravnica, Theros, and Strixhaven) and four unofficial MTG settings (Zendikar, Innistrad, Dominaria and Ixalan). We have a clear picture of what WotC sees settings as and what they are willing to allow/disallow in them. So far, the only thing wotc is willing to do is restrict races. There isn't a single setting that has restricted classes or subclasses, and Theros (the ancient Greek setting) couldn't even be bothered to remove crossbows and full plate. There is a less than zero chance that Dark Sun 5e won't support every class and subclass in the PHB with a hearty dose of "reflavor it" to explain bone plate armor and obsidian greatswords.

Hmm... Maybe WotC should just forget Athas and make Doomspace its own setting, pillaging the good stuff from Dark Sun and avoiding all the grognards who can't accept spellcasting bards in Athas...

 

[Maxperson]

We have seen five classic settings (Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, Greyhawk via Saltmarsh, and Dragonlance upcoming) plus two new setting (Exandria/Wildmount and Radiant Citadel) three official MTG settings (Ravnica, Theros, and Strixhaven) and four unofficial MTG settings (Zendikar, Innistrad, Dominaria and Ixalan). We have a clear picture of what WotC sees settings as and what they are willing to allow/disallow in them. So far, the only thing wotc is willing to do is restrict races. There isn't a single setting that has restricted classes or subclasses, and Theros (the ancient Greek setting) couldn't even be bothered to remove crossbows and full plate. There is a less than zero chance that Dark Sun 5e won't support every class and subclass in the PHB with a hearty dose of "reflavor it" to explain bone plate armor and obsidian greatswords.

Hmm... Maybe WotC should just forget Athas and make Doomspace its own setting, pillaging the good stuff from Dark Sun and avoiding all the grognards who can't accept spellcasting bards in Athas...

Restricting class access is one of the things they suggest to DMs in the DMG. Just because none of the settings to date have had reason for such a restriction, doesn't mean that the company is against it and won't do it in the future. You can ASSUME that they have some sort of phobia of restrictions, but nothing they have done actually says that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

We have seen five classic settings (Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, Greyhawk via Saltmarsh, and Dragonlance upcoming) plus two new setting (Exandria/Wildmount and Radiant Citadel) three official MTG settings (Ravnica, Theros, and Strixhaven) and four unofficial MTG settings (Zendikar, Innistrad, Dominaria and Ixalan). We have a clear picture of what WotC sees settings as and what they are willing to allow/disallow in them. So far, the only thing wotc is willing to do is restrict races. There isn't a single setting that has restricted classes or subclasses, and Theros (the ancient Greek setting) couldn't even be bothered to remove crossbows and full plate. There is a less than zero chance that Dark Sun 5e won't support every class and subclass in the PHB with a hearty dose of "reflavor it" to explain bone plate armor and obsidian greatswords.

Hmm... Maybe WotC should just forget Athas and make Doomspace its own setting, pillaging the good stuff from Dark Sun and avoiding all the grognards who can't accept spellcasting bards in Athas...

I completely agree. If they're not willing to do Dark Sun the way it creatively deserves, let it go. Doomsday seems like a potentially awesome, and most importantly, different setting.

I still want Dark Sun on the DMsguild though.

 

[overgeeked]

I completely agree. If they're not willing to do Dark Sun the way it creatively deserves, let it go. Doomsday seems like a potentially awesome, and most importantly, different setting.

I still want Dark Sun on the DMsguild though.

Exactly. Trouble is everyone has their own take and the only one that matters to WotC is WotC's. Opinions run the gamut from as long as it's got the name Dark Sun and Athas and is published by WotC, it's Dark Sun...to unless it's a slavish reproduction of the original with only required mechanical updates and no fluff changes at all, it's not Dark Sun. Admittedly I'm way closer to the latter than the former.

 

[overgeeked]

On the off chance with wasn't shared already, here's Ted from Nerd Immersion doing a flip through and Q&A.