Spider Man is Dead! Long Live Spider Man?

[frankthedm]

Spiderman 3 was the travesty it was because the "Studio's" wouldn't let Riami do what he wanted.

If Raimi couldn't work with what the studio wanted, then it sounds like he was overpaid.

They are trying to meddle with him again for 4 and he's holding his ground so they just scrap the whole thing. Morons, utter morons.

Only morons for letting Raimi do it in the first place. His skills be damned, he had a Job to do, make a spider man movie including Venom. When you are paid to do something, you are supposed to do it with the skills you have at your disposal. Instead it seemed Raimi sabotaged the character because he didn't like Venom.

I mean, did the studio insist on that ludicrous Leisure Suit Spider Man scene?

Often times Executive Meddling does hurt a film, but other times, these Artistes need to be kept on a short leash.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

Frank.... are you trying to suggest that there might have been a justifiable reason to try to put Venom in a mass market film?

There's a reason the character sells T-shirts but not comic books. He's not even better than palatable in comic book form. Total travesty on celluloid.

Spidey 3 is a clear case of the movie getting reamed by the money men who don't understand why things work on a starship.

 

[Morrus]

Moreover, there is a very big difference between Batman and SpiderMan.

Batman is about the man in the mask. SpiderMan is about the man under the mask.

?!?!?!?

Sony and Marvel will pay a hefty price for this arrogance. I am going to root for the next film to fail

Steel_Wind rooting for you to fail? A hefty price indeed!

 

[Hand of Evil]

Just want to point out what Spiderman 3 did at the Boxoffice:

Domestic: $336,530,303 (37.8%) + Foreign: $554,341,323 (62.2%) = Worldwide: $890,871,626


Sure, it had a production budget of: $258 million but still the best of the group...IN TAKE (worldwide)!

 

[Umbran]

?!?!?!?

No, Morrus, it makes some sense. Think about it for a second...

Peter Parker gets bitten, and gains powers. But he's still Peter Parker. He puts on the mask, and he goes out to bash baddies in his BVDs, and he's still Peter Parker. The mask is a veneer of color for misdirection, to keep people from getting at his family, nothing more. The real interesting stuff is under the mask - reading a Spider Man story is reading a story about Peter Parker, and his life.

The same cannot be said for Batman. Bruce Wayne creates the Batman. But in this case, the costumed identity becomes the one we consider important - the Batman is the real person. Bruce Wayne is the fake, the figment and fiction, the front used to make Batman's life easier. Reading a Batman story is reading about Batman.

 

[lin_fusan]

Just want to point out what Spiderman 3 did at the Boxoffice:

Domestic: $336,530,303 (37.8%) + Foreign: $554,341,323 (62.2%) = Worldwide: $890,871,626

Sure, it had a production budget of: $258 million but still the best of the group...IN TAKE (worldwide)!

Actually, from my understanding of "Hollywood math", that's a pretty bad profit. Studios base profitability on the domestic take, since foreign has additional costs above the normal distribution and advertising deals. Most studios aim for a domestic take three times the production budget. That's a mark of a real hit.

Spiderman 1 had a Production budget of $139 million, but a domestic take of $403 milion. Incidently, its foreign take was $418 million, for a total of $821 million, which rivals Spiderman 3, except that the movie cost half as much to make!

 

[Hand of Evil]

Actually, from my understanding of "Hollywood math", that's a pretty bad profit. Studios base profitability on the domestic take, since foreign has additional costs above the normal distribution and advertising deals. Most studios aim for a domestic take three times the production budget. That's a mark of a real hit.

Spiderman 1 had a Production budget of $139 million, but a domestic take of $403 milion. Incidently, its foreign take was $418 million, for a total of $821 million, which rivals Spiderman 3, except that the movie cost half as much to make!

Hollywood math is worse than that, it is why they have stopped reporting the budget of many movies, it effectys taxes and charges for sales and promotions. Domestic is used just for those, so higher production cost the better the movie looks on their books. It is crazy math!

 

[frankthedm]

Hollywood math is worse than that, it is why they have stopped reporting the budget of many movies, it effectys taxes and charges for sales and promotions. Domestic is used just for those, so higher production cost the better the movie looks on their books. It is crazy math!

Crazy fraud is more like it. Movie makers spend a lot of time fixing the numbers and no dollar amount that comes out of them should be trusted.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Crazy fraud is more like it. Movie makers spend a lot of time fixing the numbers and no dollar amount that comes out of them should be trusted.

Yeah, I guess it is akin to counting votes during an election. It's impossible to count the exact number (even though you should), but ball park figures are close enough...

 

[Kaodi]

On the extremely outside edge bright side, at least this means that Maguire will not be courting hurting himself, permanently, doing the physical role of Spiderman again. Supposedly, even when he first signed on, he was leery of what it may do for what I recall to be some sort of back problem. I would not want to miss him at the box office because of that sort of injury preventing him from making films.