dravot said:
You make it sound like she's gonna go out clubbing with the rest of the Slayers. I seriously doubt that that's the case here. If they can, they'll bring her around with healing magic, if not, they'll put her someplace where she can be cared for properly.
I had the same thought... She is not "getting away" with anything any more than she would be with team angel. the major differences are that a) while W&H have containment facilities there's no reason to believe they have any resources dedicated to rehabilitation, which the slayers/watchers would, b) there's always the chance the psycho slayer would get 'studied' when the big boss wasn't keeping a direct eye on her, and most importantly, c) She IS a slayer. She is their family. I was shocked that angel fought as much as he did against Andrew taking her in the first place, when it seemed like a total no brainer. This isn't even the old watcher council we're talking about, this is rebirth with Giles likely in charge. Except for some territorial flexing, what was angel's problem?
"I have twelve vampire slayers here and none of them have dated you." HEE!
myrden said:
I think that it would have been a better story if it really had been Spike torturing the girl in the past. It would have brought his past back to haunt him in the present; something Angel has been living with for many years now, while Spike pretty much as brushed off. I thought for sure that Spike's comment of "letting the past go" to Angel was going to come back at him this episode.
the problem with that plot is that it wouldn't fit in with the characters of angel and spike as long established. Spike was a killer. He killed to eat, and he enjoyed the chase, and he loved a good fight. He killed two slayers and he was proud because it meant he was amoung the biggest and baddest of vamps. But he wasn't a monster the way angel was. He never did anything like angel did to drusilla, He never came close to what was done to that girl. They made it crystal clear at the conversation at the end where he said that he had never really thought about evil, or the effect on his victims. And angel said that he thought of nothing else. Spike could be calous and cocky about death, but he didn't revel in the pain or fear of his victims. hell, angel had victims, spike had prey and losers in his fights. Spike can let go, it seems from what they've shown, because everything he did was very straightforward and impersonal. Angel can't because his evil took on a definitively personal nature and he remembers the enjoyment of things that aren't just evil, but sickening. Its harder to just say "I was a predator, I had no soul, I did what it seemed my right and my place to do" when at the time you considered yourself an artist taking pride in the destruction of minds and souls in addition to a good meal.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the same introspection, imagination and 'depth' that makes angel brood and remember and atone is what made him, as a monster, do so much more to atone for. You can't except Spike to behave the same way or judge him less moral for a different reaction when his expereince as a vampire was so different.
I anticipated but still loved it when Spike expressed admiration at andrew's 'doublecross'. I knew spike would think more about what it meant for andrew to pull it off than the 'political' implications.
ohh... what is up with vampires bleeding, being effected by injected drugs and other stuff I'd think you'd need a beating heart and working circulatory system to accomplish? ok, nitpick, but the whole drug thing distracted me mightly from the show at that point... I know spike has gotten drunk before, so there's precendent for drugs working, but it still struck a off chord for me.
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Some times just doesn't make sense. That being said I felt this was still a decent episode.
