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<blockquote data-quote="Bladesinger_Boy" data-source="post: 5070813" data-attributes="member: 87403"><p>So, Wizards and Sorcerers are both arcane spellcasters. Wizards prepare arcane spells. Sorcerers spontaneously cast arcane spells. Clear enough so far.</p><p></p><p>Clerics and Favored Souls are both "godly" divine spellcasters. Clerics prepare divine spells. Favored Souls spontaneously cast divine spells.</p><p></p><p>Druids are "naturey" divine spellcasters. Druids prepare divine spells. Now, question is: Shouldn't there be a spontaneous "naturey" divine spellcaster? Does the Spirit Shaman do that? Actually, I just looked it up for this post and the answer is "kind of". They select a few spells each day they can spontaneously cast from for that day. Each day, they re-pick what spells they want to be able to spontaneously cast from. I would get rid of that and just have set known spells (that can be retrained as normal just like sorcs).</p><p></p><p>I also HATE independent spell columns. They all want to have their own rules and own spell lists and re-invent the wheel. No, they actually follow very clear patterns and are not totally unique, unpredicented. So developing clearer categories to put spellcasters into is very useful. Indy spell columns also suck at mid and high level where they cap out and stop further growth. Spellcasting advancement, even if smaller than a full spellcaster, should exist at different points along a clearly connected spectrum... not a bunch of discontinous "new"/"different" of spellcasting that all have power-level peaks and troughs at various level ranges.</p><p></p><p>So, let's create a table. So, 4 "power sources": Arcane, Divine, Nature, Psionic. And each has two full spellcasting types: prepared or spontaneous. So...</p><p></p><p>POWER SOURCE_________PREPARED CASTER_____SPONTANEOUS CASTER</p><p>Arcane.............................Wizard............................Sorcerer</p><p>Divine..............................Cleric..............................Favored Soul</p><p>Nature.............................Druid...............................Spirit Shaman</p><p>Psionic.............................Psion..............................Psychic Warrior</p><p></p><p>As I wrote in the table, this means make the difference between Psions and Psychic Warriors an issue of spontaneous versus prepared. Which means making Psions prepared. Or, creating another Psionic full spellcaster who is the prepared guy and the Psychic Warrior becomes a half/reduced spell advancement version of the Psion.</p><p></p><p>The point here is that there are 4 big types of spellcasting each with their own spell list. Clerics and Favored Souls cast the same spells, Druids and Spirit Shamans, can the same spells, Psions and Psychic Warriors cast the same spells. Every spellcasting class, whether a base class like a Duskblade or a Beguiler, or a PrC like a Blackguard or Assassin, falls into this schema. If they have unique spells, still give them their unique spells: Rangers are prepared Nature casters, buy they are still the only ones who can cast Hunter's Mercy or whatever. Consider their list of spells which used to be the only available list either a list of spells to be preared from like additionally accessible spells, or added possible choices for known spells for spontaneous spellcasters.</p><p></p><p>Where does the Bard fit in? Maybe a 1/2 caster in two different spell classes, like a Sorc/Druid or Psion/Cleric. I'll have to work on that.</p><p></p><p>Okay, any thoughts? How do we improve it? What stuff would have to be fixed to allow it (like Bards, or prepared Psion caster)?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bladesinger_Boy, post: 5070813, member: 87403"] So, Wizards and Sorcerers are both arcane spellcasters. Wizards prepare arcane spells. Sorcerers spontaneously cast arcane spells. Clear enough so far. Clerics and Favored Souls are both "godly" divine spellcasters. Clerics prepare divine spells. Favored Souls spontaneously cast divine spells. Druids are "naturey" divine spellcasters. Druids prepare divine spells. Now, question is: Shouldn't there be a spontaneous "naturey" divine spellcaster? Does the Spirit Shaman do that? Actually, I just looked it up for this post and the answer is "kind of". They select a few spells each day they can spontaneously cast from for that day. Each day, they re-pick what spells they want to be able to spontaneously cast from. I would get rid of that and just have set known spells (that can be retrained as normal just like sorcs). I also HATE independent spell columns. They all want to have their own rules and own spell lists and re-invent the wheel. No, they actually follow very clear patterns and are not totally unique, unpredicented. So developing clearer categories to put spellcasters into is very useful. Indy spell columns also suck at mid and high level where they cap out and stop further growth. Spellcasting advancement, even if smaller than a full spellcaster, should exist at different points along a clearly connected spectrum... not a bunch of discontinous "new"/"different" of spellcasting that all have power-level peaks and troughs at various level ranges. So, let's create a table. So, 4 "power sources": Arcane, Divine, Nature, Psionic. And each has two full spellcasting types: prepared or spontaneous. So... POWER SOURCE_________PREPARED CASTER_____SPONTANEOUS CASTER Arcane.............................Wizard............................Sorcerer Divine..............................Cleric..............................Favored Soul Nature.............................Druid...............................Spirit Shaman Psionic.............................Psion..............................Psychic Warrior As I wrote in the table, this means make the difference between Psions and Psychic Warriors an issue of spontaneous versus prepared. Which means making Psions prepared. Or, creating another Psionic full spellcaster who is the prepared guy and the Psychic Warrior becomes a half/reduced spell advancement version of the Psion. The point here is that there are 4 big types of spellcasting each with their own spell list. Clerics and Favored Souls cast the same spells, Druids and Spirit Shamans, can the same spells, Psions and Psychic Warriors cast the same spells. Every spellcasting class, whether a base class like a Duskblade or a Beguiler, or a PrC like a Blackguard or Assassin, falls into this schema. If they have unique spells, still give them their unique spells: Rangers are prepared Nature casters, buy they are still the only ones who can cast Hunter's Mercy or whatever. Consider their list of spells which used to be the only available list either a list of spells to be preared from like additionally accessible spells, or added possible choices for known spells for spontaneous spellcasters. Where does the Bard fit in? Maybe a 1/2 caster in two different spell classes, like a Sorc/Druid or Psion/Cleric. I'll have to work on that. Okay, any thoughts? How do we improve it? What stuff would have to be fixed to allow it (like Bards, or prepared Psion caster)? [/QUOTE]
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