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<blockquote data-quote="Zombie_Babies" data-source="post: 6249805" data-attributes="member: 6750039"><p>Good point! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure the cities existed before the teams, so what? Cleveland was a steel town, so was Pittsburgh. Ain't no steel now, bro. Things change over time and that includes what drew people to a town and what keeps that town running. So many cities were built on an industry that's dead or dying and now they rely on whatever they can to bring people downtown because those people are their money. </p><p></p><p>I'm from somewhere near-ish Cleveland. We had a decent basketball team once not long ago because one kid from Akron got drafted by the team. He's potentially the greatest to ever play the game and practically single handedly took the team to the championship game (and was promptly swept) and made them relevant. The games at home were sold out - frequently he'd sell out games on the road, too. Then one day his contract was up and he 'took his talents to South Beach'. I can tell you a whole lot of what was being said at that time. A lot of it was <em>economic </em>talk, not sports. </p><p></p><p>EDIT: I meant to mention Detroit because as things go it's more an example on your side than mine. Detroit is dead and the Lions, Tigers and Bea ... whoops, Pistons (and Red Wings) can't save it. For the most part, though, these massive revenue generating entities are positive for the economy ... unless ...</p><p></p><p>More in fairness to you: Miami is actually being screwed over by its professional baseball team. The owners lied about income and conned the mayor into taking on a huge share of the cost of a new stadium. The people, of course, are the ones paying for it. Again, I don't consider this example as the one that tells the tale. It's an exception ... and a warning.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair enough on all counts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that's a shame but understood.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zombie_Babies, post: 6249805, member: 6750039"] Good point! :) Sure the cities existed before the teams, so what? Cleveland was a steel town, so was Pittsburgh. Ain't no steel now, bro. Things change over time and that includes what drew people to a town and what keeps that town running. So many cities were built on an industry that's dead or dying and now they rely on whatever they can to bring people downtown because those people are their money. I'm from somewhere near-ish Cleveland. We had a decent basketball team once not long ago because one kid from Akron got drafted by the team. He's potentially the greatest to ever play the game and practically single handedly took the team to the championship game (and was promptly swept) and made them relevant. The games at home were sold out - frequently he'd sell out games on the road, too. Then one day his contract was up and he 'took his talents to South Beach'. I can tell you a whole lot of what was being said at that time. A lot of it was [I]economic [/I]talk, not sports. EDIT: I meant to mention Detroit because as things go it's more an example on your side than mine. Detroit is dead and the Lions, Tigers and Bea ... whoops, Pistons (and Red Wings) can't save it. For the most part, though, these massive revenue generating entities are positive for the economy ... unless ... More in fairness to you: Miami is actually being screwed over by its professional baseball team. The owners lied about income and conned the mayor into taking on a huge share of the cost of a new stadium. The people, of course, are the ones paying for it. Again, I don't consider this example as the one that tells the tale. It's an exception ... and a warning. Fair enough on all counts. And that's a shame but understood. [/QUOTE]
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