Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
Stacking Bonuses in 3.5
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Lela" data-source="post: 1056952" data-attributes="member: 1216"><p>I see your point and will venture a tentitive agreement.</p><p></p><p>In fact, I've run into a similar situation, though I didn't really consider it a problem. The PC had taken some kind of Ninja PrC in OA (I forget which one) and had incredible bonuses to acrobatic skills (Balance, Tumble, etc.). To finish off the character concept he took several different skill boosting items. His Hide skill was dramatically increased using these methods. Combined with Hide in Plain Sight, he could have been a problem but, when in practice, it wasn't that bad.</p><p></p><p>I did grow somewhat annoyed that no one ever saw him. Even the other party members didn't really know where he was 90% of the time (and he was usually standing next to them). But it became an incredibly fun RP tool and, sometimes, a good joke.</p><p></p><p>I did finally decide that his enemies (he bore the personal animosity of Shar herself) would start to wise up. So I started going throgh the books, looking for something that a few foes could pull on him. I found the Sacred Fist (DotF) PrC. At 7th level (or thereabouts), they get Blindsight. You should have seen his face when two Monks ran straight up to him and told him to put his hands on the wall (lucky for him he'd just had Slippers of Spider Climb enchanted). The other players were flabbergasted as well. He spent the next few hours begging me to tell him how they saw him (not during game time of course). Finally I gave in. Got an extremely evil look for that one.</p><p></p><p>I guess what I'm saying is that I've found that the difference between a PC calling out 55 and 72 on a Tumble check isn't all that much. He still succeeds and with class.</p><p></p><p>And, it should be noted, if the straight Rogue wants to be known for his Hide skill, he might want to get some skill boosting items of his own. At that point he'd floor the Mage/Rogue.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That said, I still think there should be a cap on ability to create skill boosting items. As I've said, I don't see much danger with Hide or Spot (after a +30 item, it just doesn't matter) but I see Spellcraft as an extreme threat to game balance during epic levels. And since it's the magi who create the items there would be a lot more epic spells flying around, causing a lot more havok.</p><p></p><p>In regards to that, though, I've often said to my players, "Sure, you can do that. But if you do it to me (the world/organization/religion/whatever), I'll do it to you. That took care of the <em>Harm</em> idea real quick and I could see it working in this case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lela, post: 1056952, member: 1216"] I see your point and will venture a tentitive agreement. In fact, I've run into a similar situation, though I didn't really consider it a problem. The PC had taken some kind of Ninja PrC in OA (I forget which one) and had incredible bonuses to acrobatic skills (Balance, Tumble, etc.). To finish off the character concept he took several different skill boosting items. His Hide skill was dramatically increased using these methods. Combined with Hide in Plain Sight, he could have been a problem but, when in practice, it wasn't that bad. I did grow somewhat annoyed that no one ever saw him. Even the other party members didn't really know where he was 90% of the time (and he was usually standing next to them). But it became an incredibly fun RP tool and, sometimes, a good joke. I did finally decide that his enemies (he bore the personal animosity of Shar herself) would start to wise up. So I started going throgh the books, looking for something that a few foes could pull on him. I found the Sacred Fist (DotF) PrC. At 7th level (or thereabouts), they get Blindsight. You should have seen his face when two Monks ran straight up to him and told him to put his hands on the wall (lucky for him he'd just had Slippers of Spider Climb enchanted). The other players were flabbergasted as well. He spent the next few hours begging me to tell him how they saw him (not during game time of course). Finally I gave in. Got an extremely evil look for that one. I guess what I'm saying is that I've found that the difference between a PC calling out 55 and 72 on a Tumble check isn't all that much. He still succeeds and with class. And, it should be noted, if the straight Rogue wants to be known for his Hide skill, he might want to get some skill boosting items of his own. At that point he'd floor the Mage/Rogue. That said, I still think there should be a cap on ability to create skill boosting items. As I've said, I don't see much danger with Hide or Spot (after a +30 item, it just doesn't matter) but I see Spellcraft as an extreme threat to game balance during epic levels. And since it's the magi who create the items there would be a lot more epic spells flying around, causing a lot more havok. In regards to that, though, I've often said to my players, "Sure, you can do that. But if you do it to me (the world/organization/religion/whatever), I'll do it to you. That took care of the [i]Harm[/i] idea real quick and I could see it working in this case. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
Stacking Bonuses in 3.5
Top