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current stealth rules after revision are...
Steal th: At the end of a move action.
✦ Opposed Check: Stealth vs. passive Perception. If multiple enemies are
present, your Stealth check is opposed by each enemy’s passive Perception
check. If you move more than 2 squares during the move action, you take a –
5 penalty to the Stealth check. If you run, the penalty is –10.
✦ Becoming Hidden: You can make a Stealth check against an enemy only if
you have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy or if you’re
outside the enemy’s line of sight. Outside combat, the DM can allow you to
make a Stealth check against a distracted enemy, even if you don’t have
superior cover or total concealment and aren’t outside the enemy’s line of
sight. The distracted enemy might be focused on something in a different
direction, allowing you to sneak up.
✦ Success: You are hidden, which means you are silent and invisible to the
enemy (see “Concealment” and “Targeting What You Can’t See,” page 281).
✦ Fai lure: You can try again at the end of another move action.
✦ Remaining Hidden: You remain hidden as long as you meet these
requirements.
Keep Out of Sight: If you no longer have any cover or concealment
against an enemy, you don’t remain hidden from that enemy. You don’t need
superior cover, total concealment, or to stay outside line of sight, but you do
need some degree of cover or concealment to remain hidden. You can’t use
another creature as cover to remain hidden.
Keep Quiet: If you speak louder than a whisper or otherwise draw
attention to yourself, you don’t remain hidden from any enemy that can hear
you.
Keep Still: If you move more than 2 squares during an action, you must
make a new Stealth check with a –5 penalty. If you run, the penalty is –10. If
any enemy’s passive Perception check beats your check result, you don’t
remain hidden from that enemy.
Don’t Attack: If you attack, you don’t remain hidden.
✦ Not Remaining Hidden: If you take an action that causes you not to
remain hidden, you retain the benefits of being hidden until you resolve the
action. You can’t become hidden again as part of that same action.
✦ Enemy Act ivi ty: An enemy can try to find you on its turn. If an enemy
makes an active Perception check and beats your Stealth check result (don’t
make a new check), you don’t remain hidden from that enemy. Also, if an
enemy tries to enter your space, you don’t remain hidden from that enemy.
The rogue has abilities such as ..
Chameleon Chameleon Rogue Utility 6
You blend into your surroundings.
At-Will ✦ Martial
Immediate Interrupt Personal
Trigger: You are hidden and lose cover or concealment
against an opponent
Prerequisite: You must be trained in Stealth.
Effect: Make a Stealth check. Until the end of your next
turn, you remain hidden if a creature that has a clear line
of sight to you does not beat your check result with its Per-
ception check. If at the end of your turn you do not have
cover or concealment against a creature, that creature
automatically notices you.
and..
Shadow Stride Shadow Stride Rogue Utility 10
You silently step from shadow to shadow, slipping past your foes
unseen and unheard.
At-Will ✦ Martial
Move Action Personal
Prerequisite: You must be trained in Stealth.
Effect: You must be hiding to use this power. You can move
your speed. At the end of that movement, if you have
cover, you can make a Stealth check with no penalty for
moving. If you make the Stealth check, you stay hidden
during your movement.
Given the revision, does that mean that the rogue must have superior cover/concealment for the condition of that ability instead of just having regular cover/concealment? And was the point of this revision merely to make it harder for a rogue to initially get in to stealth, and then more easily maintain it afterward?
ALSO..
could someone please explain the differences between Fleeting Ghost and Shadow Stride. They seem rather similar...
Steal th: At the end of a move action.
✦ Opposed Check: Stealth vs. passive Perception. If multiple enemies are
present, your Stealth check is opposed by each enemy’s passive Perception
check. If you move more than 2 squares during the move action, you take a –
5 penalty to the Stealth check. If you run, the penalty is –10.
✦ Becoming Hidden: You can make a Stealth check against an enemy only if
you have superior cover or total concealment against the enemy or if you’re
outside the enemy’s line of sight. Outside combat, the DM can allow you to
make a Stealth check against a distracted enemy, even if you don’t have
superior cover or total concealment and aren’t outside the enemy’s line of
sight. The distracted enemy might be focused on something in a different
direction, allowing you to sneak up.
✦ Success: You are hidden, which means you are silent and invisible to the
enemy (see “Concealment” and “Targeting What You Can’t See,” page 281).
✦ Fai lure: You can try again at the end of another move action.
✦ Remaining Hidden: You remain hidden as long as you meet these
requirements.
Keep Out of Sight: If you no longer have any cover or concealment
against an enemy, you don’t remain hidden from that enemy. You don’t need
superior cover, total concealment, or to stay outside line of sight, but you do
need some degree of cover or concealment to remain hidden. You can’t use
another creature as cover to remain hidden.
Keep Quiet: If you speak louder than a whisper or otherwise draw
attention to yourself, you don’t remain hidden from any enemy that can hear
you.
Keep Still: If you move more than 2 squares during an action, you must
make a new Stealth check with a –5 penalty. If you run, the penalty is –10. If
any enemy’s passive Perception check beats your check result, you don’t
remain hidden from that enemy.
Don’t Attack: If you attack, you don’t remain hidden.
✦ Not Remaining Hidden: If you take an action that causes you not to
remain hidden, you retain the benefits of being hidden until you resolve the
action. You can’t become hidden again as part of that same action.
✦ Enemy Act ivi ty: An enemy can try to find you on its turn. If an enemy
makes an active Perception check and beats your Stealth check result (don’t
make a new check), you don’t remain hidden from that enemy. Also, if an
enemy tries to enter your space, you don’t remain hidden from that enemy.
The rogue has abilities such as ..
Chameleon Chameleon Rogue Utility 6
You blend into your surroundings.
At-Will ✦ Martial
Immediate Interrupt Personal
Trigger: You are hidden and lose cover or concealment
against an opponent
Prerequisite: You must be trained in Stealth.
Effect: Make a Stealth check. Until the end of your next
turn, you remain hidden if a creature that has a clear line
of sight to you does not beat your check result with its Per-
ception check. If at the end of your turn you do not have
cover or concealment against a creature, that creature
automatically notices you.
and..
Shadow Stride Shadow Stride Rogue Utility 10
You silently step from shadow to shadow, slipping past your foes
unseen and unheard.
At-Will ✦ Martial
Move Action Personal
Prerequisite: You must be trained in Stealth.
Effect: You must be hiding to use this power. You can move
your speed. At the end of that movement, if you have
cover, you can make a Stealth check with no penalty for
moving. If you make the Stealth check, you stay hidden
during your movement.
Given the revision, does that mean that the rogue must have superior cover/concealment for the condition of that ability instead of just having regular cover/concealment? And was the point of this revision merely to make it harder for a rogue to initially get in to stealth, and then more easily maintain it afterward?
ALSO..
could someone please explain the differences between Fleeting Ghost and Shadow Stride. They seem rather similar...
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