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D&D 5E Survivor: Core Classes There Can Be Only 1.
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Olrox17
Hero
Bards can use magic! All kind of magic in fact, thanks to magical secrets. And they're full casters to boot. We don't need the wizard to have magic
Jaelommiss
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Bard 14
Cleric 10
Druid 13
Fighter 19
Rogue 23
Paladin 18
Wizard 7
Cleric 10
Druid 13
Fighter 19
Rogue 23
Paladin 18
Wizard 7
zingbobco000
Explorer
Bards can use magic! All kind of magic in fact, thanks to magical secrets. And they're full casters to boot. We don't need the wizard to have magic
Wizards? Bah... That was during 1e. Who needs wizards when you have bards?
Bard 11
Cleric 10
Druid 14
Fighter 19
Rogue 23
Paladin 15
Wizard 6
It's not that I don't like Wizards, it's that I don't like Wizards. They're some (admitedly cool) school features and then just a list of spells. No defining features outside of that.
Outside of Schools, Bards do it better.
Cleric 10
Druid 14
Fighter 19
Rogue 23
Paladin 15
Wizard 6
It's not that I don't like Wizards, it's that I don't like Wizards. They're some (admitedly cool) school features and then just a list of spells. No defining features outside of that.
Outside of Schools, Bards do it better.
Let me see if I can illustrate what you just said in a way you can understand...
"It's not that I don't like Fighters, it's that I don't like Fighters. They're some (admittedly cool) archetype features and then just a list of weapons. No defining features outside of that."
Does that make sense to you in a game of a genre that is supposed to include Swords & Sorcery? Warriors & Wizardry! Heroes & Hexing! Soldiers & Spellbinding! Fighters & ...um... Phylacteries!
Take out the core/base arcane caster...and what's the Bard casting exactly? Cleric and Druid spells is all you're left with, buddy. No one kept or taught or even created [!] the systems of arcane spellcasting that the Bard pilfered. No more Intelligence caster? No more arcane spell effects.
Think on that...next time you don't want to go hatin' on wizards, but go hatin' on wizards.
<cast> CONJURE VOTES TO SAVE THE WIZARD! </5th level conjuration>
Let me see if I can illustrate what you just said in a way you can understand...
"It's not that I don't like Fighters, it's that I don't like Fighters. They're some (admittedly cool) archetype features and then just a list of weapons. No defining features outside of that."
Does that make sense to you in a game of a genre that is supposed to include Swords & Sorcery? Warriors & Wizardry! Heroes & Hexing! Soldiers & Spellbinding! Fighters & ...um... Phylacteries!
Take out the core/base arcane caster...and what's the Bard casting exactly? Cleric and Druid spells is all you're left with, buddy. No one kept or taught or even created [!] the systems of arcane spellcasting that the Bard pilfered. No more Intelligence caster? No more arcane spell effects.
Think on that...next time you don't want to go hatin' on wizards, but go hatin' on wizards.
<cast> CONJURE VOTES TO SAVE THE WIZARD! </5th level conjuration>
Fighters have Action Surge, and a choice of Manuevers, Spells, or Improved Crit chance. No one else makes as many attacks in a turn as the Fighter either.
The Wizard has school features and then a bunch of spells two classes directly steal from (EK and AT), and that one class can steal from (Bard).
They've nothing to make them unique as a spellcaster the way Fighters do as a weapon swinger.
