Swordmage Implement with Wizard powers?

[Tellerve]

I have a swordmage that is multi-classed into wizard. I'm wondering since my powers are Arcane like the Wizards if I can use my sword for the implement instead of a wand/orb/staff.

Thanks,

Tellerve

 

[Cadfan]

No, you can't. Its kind of a pain in the neck. But if you take the Wizard "Spiral Tower" paragon path, you will be able to.

 

[Danceofmasks]

No, you can't then, either.
WotST says you can use a longsword as an implement you're specialised in.
An MC wizard isn't specialised in any implement.

 

[Tellerve]

Hmm,yeah knew about the Wizard of the Spiral Tower, just figured maybe there was a workaround since the Swordmage came out after Wizard of the Spiral Tower.

On a similar note, would the Paladin's holy symbol work for clerical powers? I could see the argument for both.

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[Danceofmasks]

What do you mean?
Holy symbols are just holy symbols. They aren't separated into "paladin" and "cleric."
Even a holy avenger works fine for a cleric.

 

[Tellerve]

Then it would seem a swordmage using a wizard power with implement keyword could use his sword, since they are both arcane powers. A wizard would use a wand/orb/staff, a swordmage uses his sword.

Tellerve

 

[Kordeth]

Then it would seem a swordmage using a wizard power with implement keyword could use his sword, since they are both arcane powers. A wizard would use a wand/orb/staff, a swordmage uses his sword.

Tellerve

No it wouldn't. The Implement use class features all clearly and specifically say "A [CLASS X] wielding a [IMPLEMENT TYPE Y] can add its enhancement bonus to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of [CLASS X] powers, as well as [CLASS X] paragon path powers, that have the implement keyword."

Implements themselves are not broken up by the classes that can use them, the classes are broken up by what implements they can use. A multiclass wizard/warlock can use a single wand for all of his powers, because both classes say you can use a wand with that class's powers, and there's no such thing as a "warlock wand" and a "wizard wand." That same character cannot, however, use a rod with his wizard powers, because the use of a rod is a warlock-specific ability that only works with warlock powers. It's the same with swordmage/wizard. Swordmage says "you can use a sword with swordmage powers," wizard says "you can use a wand, orb, or staff with wizard powers." There is no ability that allows you to use the implements unique to one class with the powers of another.

 

[Kordeth]

No, you can't then, either.
WotST says you can use a longsword as an implement you're specialised in.
An MC wizard isn't specialised in any implement.

We haven't seen the swordmage multiclass feat yet, but operating on the assumption that, like all of the other implement-using classes' multiclassing feats it allows you to use weapons as implements for swordmage powers, you could start as a wizard for Arcane Implement Mastery, multiclass into swordmage, and pick up Wizard of the Spiral Tower. That would leave you with less swordmage flavor, but you would be using a sword as your implement for all powers.

EDIT: Missed where the OP said he already had the swordmage multi'd into wizard. But without houseruling or a new multiclass feat that can give a multiclassed wizard Implement Mastery (or a pact blade-esque item for wizards), the above is the only way to have a character with wizard powers and swordmage powers all using a sword as an implement.

 

[Tellerve]

EDIT: nevermind

I still am a bit squeemish at the thought of allowing the warlock/wizard and paladin/cleric to get use out of one implement.

I feel it should be based off of Arcane and Divine. Is it an arcane implement, are you casting an arcane power, and you know how to use the implement...then you get the benefit.

Tellerve

 

[Xris Robin]

BTW, has anyone else noticed that Swordmages don't get separate magical implements? They seem a bit passed over on that point.

Sure, a Paladin can use a Holy Avenger as one. But they mostly have a Holy Symbol and a Magic Weapon. Two items. A Wizard can hold a Magic Sword in one hand, and a Wand in the other. But Swordmages just get... Magic Weapons.