Tasha's vs Freedom of Movement

[random user]

Do these interact in any way? We've had a discussion about it in our gaming group.

Some argue that tasha's doesn't impede movement per se, it's merely an effect of a condition.

Others counter that since it makes you fall prone, unable to move, that it should be covered by freedom of movement. Besides, freedom of movement is such a high level spell a dinky first level (bard) spell shouldn't get around it.

Anyone know what the official word is?

Similarly if a person was almost passing out drunk, would freedom of movement allow that person to move?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Similarly if a person was almost passing out drunk, would freedom of movement allow that person to move?

No.

Similarly, a Suggestion spell ("Why don't you sit on this chair and wait 'til I get back?") wouldn't be affected by Freedom of Movement either. It's not preventing you from moving; it's just preventing you from wanting to...

-Hyp.

 

[Thanee]

Except for Hold Person, which is a denoted exception, Freedom of Movement really shouldn't work against compulsion effects.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

Except for Hold Person, which is a denoted exception...

Yeah - Hold Person always screws up the nice simple blanket rule

I'd rather see Hold Person as a Transmutation - or possibly Necromancy - than an Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting], personally. It acts more like a physical effect than a mental one.

-Hyp.

 

[Thanee]

Besides, freedom of movement is such a high level spell a dinky first level (bard) spell shouldn't get around it.

Besides, freedom of movement is such a low level spell it shouldn't get around Otto's irresistible dance.

But that is exactly what would happen, if it would work against Tasha's hideous laughter.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

It acts more like a physical effect than a mental one.

It's mentally induced physical paralysis.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

It's mentally induced physical paralysis.

Which is why Freedom of Movement shouldn't work against it

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

Which is why Freedom of Movement shouldn't work against it

-Hyp.

Which is a really nice and since long used houserule

 

[andargor]

Yeah, I've seen Freedom of Movement being used as an excuse to avoid all sorts of effects.

Example:

DM: Ok, you advance but you suddenly hit some sort of unseen barrier

Player: Aha! But I have my Ring of Freedom of Movement! I can't be stopped by a mere Wall of Force! It impedes my movement!

DM: Are you saying that your ring allows you to walk through walls?

*sigh*

Andargor

 

[Ferret]

So what defense is there against those sorts of spells? Aside from a good will save?

Mind blank would work but thats fairly high level, what about a weaker version called Freedom of mind that would stop any one from influencing you with magic (Tasha's laugh, suggestion, charm person) To keep it a lower level it could only work on spells lower then it's self...

Sorry for the hi-jacking there.