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Tauren Player Race [more Warcraft races to come]

Khaalis

Adventurer
For the roles you have listed (Leader & Controller) I would think that the Restoration shaman would be a more appropriate build than the Enhancement shaman. Just a thought.
 

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mrrodgers

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Dragonbait said:
I was wondering when someone would get around to doing this. Cool.

So what, exactly, does PEACH mean?
It means Please Evaluate And Critique Honestly.

I'm on my lunch break, so I got a bit of time to work on the shaman powers, so expect to see those soon.

Khaalis: I am adding the resto to the build options right now, I forgot to add it.
 

katahn

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A +5 skill bonus for Taurens is a lot more powerful (comparitively speaking) than the rather modest bonuses they get in the MMO, I'd advise toning it down a bit. Warstomp looks good.

Tone down the skill bonus and in its stead give taurens +1 healing surge/day (to mimic their +health bonus in the game). You might also include a paragon tier racial feat "planesrunning".

For shamans I'd make them a primal leader with some controllerish features much like how paladins are a divine defender with some leaderish features.

The real problem with trying to mimic WoW's talent tree system is it flies directly in the face with a core design principle of 4e which is: each class has a core role and that doesn't change. In WoW a druid could be a defender, a striker, or a leader depending on talent choices. For my money, I think trying to introduce the equivilent would be to take away from what makes 4e so good.

Instead take the WoW class and make a decision as to what its core combat role is going to be, then make the "other talent trees" into supplemental class flavor, or a means by which they achieve their core role.
 

mrrodgers

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katahn said:
A +5 skill bonus for Taurens is a lot more powerful (comparitively speaking) than the rather modest bonuses they get in the MMO, I'd advise toning it down a bit. Warstomp looks good.

Tone down the skill bonus and in its stead give taurens +1 healing surge/day (to mimic their +health bonus in the game). You might also include a paragon tier racial feat "planesrunning".

For shamans I'd make them a primal leader with some controllerish features much like how paladins are a divine defender with some leaderish features.

The real problem with trying to mimic WoW's talent tree system is it flies directly in the face with a core design principle of 4e which is: each class has a core role and that doesn't change. In WoW a druid could be a defender, a striker, or a leader depending on talent choices. For my money, I think trying to introduce the equivilent would be to take away from what makes 4e so good.

Instead take the WoW class and make a decision as to what its core combat role is going to be, then make the "other talent trees" into supplemental class flavor, or a means by which they achieve their core role.
Good point. I am now striking elemental from the list. Enhancement shamans* already do a lot of what the battle cleric does, and resto is, well, resto. Bye bye ele.

*Note: I play an enhancement shaman, so I'm probably biased. Double windfury ftw.

On the tauren: Lol, Plainsrunning. (ah beta, the game has changed a lot since then.) Anyway, the bonus is +3 now, and they get the extra surge.
 
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shadowguidex

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mrrodgers said:
Tauren
RACIAL TRAITS
Average Height: 6' 6"-9'
Average Weight: 400-700 lb.

Ability Scores: +2 Con, +2 Wis
Size: Medium (they're pushing it, but still medium)
Speed: 6 squares
Vision: Normal

I'd change to +2 Str, +2 Con.

Languages: Common, Taurahe
Skill Bonuses: +2 Endurance, +2 Nature
Natural Botanist: You gain a +3 racial bonus to Nature and Heal checks that involve herbs and plants.*
Earthen Resilience: You gain an additional healing surge each day.
Tauren Weapon Proficiency: You gain proficiency with the spear and maul.
War Stomp: You gain war stomp as an encounter power.

War Stomp Tauren Racial Attack
Encounter
Standard Action Close Burst 1
Target: Each enemy in burst.
Attack:Strength vs. Fortitude
Effect: Target is stunned for one round.

All good.

Recommended classes: Cleric, Ranger, Druid?, Paladin (makes no sense, I know)

Tauren in WoW can only be Warriors, Druids, Hunters, and Shaman. I'd suggest you change the prefered classes to: Fighter, Ranger, Warlord. Paladin and Priest are definitely not tauren classes.
 

mrrodgers

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shadowguidex said:
I'd change to +2 Str, +2 Con.



All good.



Tauren in WoW can only be Warriors, Druids, Hunters, and Shaman. I'd suggest you change the prefered classes to: Fighter, Ranger, Warlord. Paladin and Priest are definitely not tauren classes.
I know which classes the tauren can be, and I thought about it for a long time. I just feel wisdom and con feel better than strength. I'm not going for a direct translation. Think about it. A tauren's main motivation is not to fight, but to try and resolve things peacefuly at first. This is a mechanical reflection of that.
 



Eldorian

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mrrodgers said:
Tauren
RACIAL TRAITS
Average Height: 6' 6"-9'
Average Weight: 400-700 lb.

OK. Maybe a bit heavy.

Ability Scores: +2 Con, +2 Wis
Size: Medium (they're pushing it, but still medium)
Speed: 6 squares
Vision: Normal

I want them to have +2 str and +2 wis. In my mind, a 400-700 pound creature can't NOT be stronger than a human on average. Tauren toughness is taken into account with the + 1 healing surge.

Languages: Common, Taurahe
Skill Bonuses: +2 Endurance, +2 Nature

OK.


Natural Botanist: You gain a +3 racial bonus to Nature and Heal checks that involve herbs and plants.*

Confusing. Doesn't stack with the skill bonus from the previous quote. Suggest removal, and the Tauren's familiarity with herbalism will be accounted for in the skill bonus to Nature.

Earthen Resilience: You gain an additional healing surge each day.
Tauren Weapon Proficiency: You gain proficiency with the spear and maul.

OK. Maybe a bonus with Greatclub instead of maul proficiency, like a +1 to hit?


War Stomp: You gain war stomp as an encounter power.

War Stomp Tauren Racial Attack
Encounter
Standard Action Close Burst 1
Target: Each enemy in burst.
Attack:Strength vs. Fortitude
Effect: Target is stunned for one round.

Woah there. Stunned is a powerful condition in 4e. Dazed is also theme, and works better, IMO. You could also make it a minor action if it Dazes. Maybe also hits allies too.

Recommended classes: Cleric, Ranger, Druid?, Paladin (makes no sense, I know)

Fighter, ranger, cleric.
 

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