The 10-foot pole, antithesis of what adventuring should be?

[JRRNeiklot]

What's the problem? 20 degrees ia not cold. 20 degrees is the point where I wear jeans instead of shorts, maybe, but it's far from cold. I've skinny dipped in colder weather.

 

[Someone]

Are you joking? With the exterior at 20 degrees they would have been frozen in seconds! That´s colder than Neptune´s atmosphere!

 

[DarkKestral]

Someone: 20 degrees in Celsius is quite comfortable or even a bit too warm for most people, as it's around 60-70 Fahrenheit. To many midwesterners and northern Europeans/Asians, 20 degrees Fahrenheit is merely uncomfortably cool, and getting to the point of being cold. I have gone out in very minimal clothing and stayed out for one or two hours before getting so cold I had to duck inside in 20 degree Fahrenheit weather before. I regretted it later, but it's doable. I certainly had on less clothing than the average D&D adventurer would, as I was in a rather loosely-knit cotton T-shirt and jean shorts. I also was completely unfrostbitten at the end of the time. Had I been in what I would consider average adventuring gear (strong woolen or linen clothing with a relatively watertight weave), I would probably not even have noticed the temperature at all. If I were in 'cold weather gear' I would have been uncomfortably warm. For me, 'cold weather gear' time starts at -20 Celsius (approximately -5 degrees Fahrenheit) or so, and only is needed for most trips around -25 Celsius (approximately -15 degrees Fahrenheit) when things bottom out on the temperature scale for the local area.

Perhaps you're thinking in Kelvins.. which aren't a degree scale, anyway.

 

[Someone]

Someone: 20 degrees in Celsius is quite comfortable or even a bit too warm for most people, as it's around 60-70 Fahrenheit. To many midwesterners and northern Europeans/Asians, 20 degrees Fahrenheit is merely uncomfortably cool, and getting to the point of being cold.

I know, hence the joke. JRRNeiklot was thinking on ºC, while everyone was talking about ºF

Perhaps you're thinking in Kelvins.. which aren't a degree scale, anyway.

That spoiled the joke a bit; you´re right that it´s incorrect to speak about Kelvin degrees. It reminded me of the joke or history of a man that´s abducted by aliens, and asked to lower the temperature a bit, maybe to 25 degrees, and was instantly frozen since the aliens thought he was speaking of K.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

I know, hence the joke. JRRNeiklot was thinking on ºC, while everyone was talking about ºF

No, I was not. 20 degrees Farenheit is not cold. Not to me anyway, and I would wonder why adventurers would need special clothing at that temp. A decent bedroll, yes, but a tunic and breeches should suffice quite well, especially when complemented with a cloak.

 

[Someone]

Good for you, if you can trek with temperatures below frezing point without appropiate clothing. But it wasn´t me who was talking about that, so I don´t really know why you quote me on that regard.

 

[shilsen]

No, I was not. 20 degrees Farenheit is not cold. Not to me anyway, and I would wonder why adventurers would need special clothing at that temp. A decent bedroll, yes, but a tunic and breeches should suffice quite well, especially when complemented with a cloak.

It doesn't really matter what your personal responses to temperature are. What matters is the average human being's responses to it. Or, more precisely, the D&D human being's response to it. Check the DMG, pg.302. At 20 degrees Fahrenheit, characters without winter clothing are making Fort saves every 10 minutes (with the DC rising by +1 every time). I'd call that extremely noticeable.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Good for you, if you can trek with temperatures below frezing point without appropiate clothing. But it wasn´t me who was talking about that, so I don´t really know why you quote me on that regard.

I quoted you because you erroneously stated I was thinking in terms of celsius. Just thought I would correct your misconception, or if you prefer, my misrepresentation.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

It doesn't really matter what your personal responses to temperature are. What matters is the average human being's responses to it. Or, more precisely, the D&D human being's response to it. Check the DMG, pg.302. At 20 degrees Fahrenheit, characters without winter clothing are making Fort saves every 10 minutes (with the DC rising by +1 every time). I'd call that extremely noticeable.

That just makes the book wrong. 20 degrees could possibly kill you, but if you stay dry, it will take a long, long, time.

 

[shilsen]

That just makes the book wrong. 20 degrees could possibly kill you, but if you stay dry, it will take a long, long, time.

Why's the book wrong? It's talking about how cold weather affects people in the D&D game world. Now if it claimed that's how things worked in reality, that would be a different matter, but it doesn't.