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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7353117" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>So, the first attack against all PC's and NPC's in every combat automatically has disadvantage? Since, well, we can use the dodge action out of combat, and ready it, so, barring surprise, everything out there should be dodging in the first round, no? Why can't my character be ready to dodge all the time, since, well, I can take combat specific actions out of combat?</p><p></p><p>Now, let's get off the silly stuff no? To Ready an Action with a spell, you MUST specify a trigger. If that trigger does not occur, your readied action does not go off. Now, what you can specify as a trigger is a bit nebulous but, it is supposed to be pretty specific. "I ready ((this spell)) to fire at the first enemy I see" is fine when there are obvious enemies in the near future. But, that same statement made first thing in the morning doesn't make much sense when the first enemy you come across is four hours later.</p><p></p><p>Placing a reasonable limit on concentration (say about 10 minutes or until you start doing something else) seems a pretty decent restriction to me. </p><p></p><p>Now, can you counter spell the readied spell? Well, I'd say it could only be counter spelled in the case that the trigger action has occurred. At that point, the spell is completed and cast and thus, can be countered. Would dispel magic work before the trigger action? Probably. Seems reasonable to me. It's a magical effect, so, why not? Then again, this is such a bizarre corner case, that I don't really care.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'd rather keep it a lot more simple. Readied an Action is an action IN COMBAT. Outside of combat, it's freeform, and you can do pretty much whatever you want. The surprise rules would seem to be more applicable, AFAIC, than the Ready and Action and don't actually need any adjudication. Heck, you cannot even counter spell in that case since you can't take reactions when you are surprised.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7353117, member: 22779"] So, the first attack against all PC's and NPC's in every combat automatically has disadvantage? Since, well, we can use the dodge action out of combat, and ready it, so, barring surprise, everything out there should be dodging in the first round, no? Why can't my character be ready to dodge all the time, since, well, I can take combat specific actions out of combat? Now, let's get off the silly stuff no? To Ready an Action with a spell, you MUST specify a trigger. If that trigger does not occur, your readied action does not go off. Now, what you can specify as a trigger is a bit nebulous but, it is supposed to be pretty specific. "I ready ((this spell)) to fire at the first enemy I see" is fine when there are obvious enemies in the near future. But, that same statement made first thing in the morning doesn't make much sense when the first enemy you come across is four hours later. Placing a reasonable limit on concentration (say about 10 minutes or until you start doing something else) seems a pretty decent restriction to me. Now, can you counter spell the readied spell? Well, I'd say it could only be counter spelled in the case that the trigger action has occurred. At that point, the spell is completed and cast and thus, can be countered. Would dispel magic work before the trigger action? Probably. Seems reasonable to me. It's a magical effect, so, why not? Then again, this is such a bizarre corner case, that I don't really care. Personally, I'd rather keep it a lot more simple. Readied an Action is an action IN COMBAT. Outside of combat, it's freeform, and you can do pretty much whatever you want. The surprise rules would seem to be more applicable, AFAIC, than the Ready and Action and don't actually need any adjudication. Heck, you cannot even counter spell in that case since you can't take reactions when you are surprised. [/QUOTE]
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