There is no 4e Rule for Death and being brought back to Life - at all !!!!!!

[The Bluemanarc]

Their is a specific rule for the Ritual of Raise Dead, where you suffer -1 to Rolls for 3 milestones.

Their is also some magic item specific rules for a "Shrowd" and a "Raven Skull" where the affects differ from the Raise Dead Ritual.

But their are a host of things such as Daily Powers, Epic Destinys, Potion of Life, that also bring a dead PC back to life.

Everyone just assumes that the rules for Raise Dead ritual are used, is that correct ???
Is that what we should be using.

OR, is their no penalty to being brought back to life by these other powers, since they don't specify it, and their is no RAW general rule for it.

I find it slack that this key aspect of the game is not covered.
Just a casual mention in the Raise Dead Ritual, but NO WHERE ELSE !!
Certainly nothing in Players or DM Guides, or online Wiki.

The only inference I can find, that the Raise Dead Ritual rules apply generally to all death.
Is a Druid L22 raise dead power that says that the PC's do not suffer any death penalties.

 

[MwaO]

You fail 3 death saves(typically), you die. You get to negative bloodied value, you die. Either of those make you dead.

4e is a SvG system - specific vs. general. General: Dead is dead and barring something specific, you stay dead.

Then there are specific options, such as Raise Dead, special Epic Destiny powers, Potion of Life.

Unless one of those options mention a death penalty, then there's no death penalty. Raise Dead mentions that, so there's specifically a death penalty.

 

[Garthanos]

Their is a specific rule for the Ritual of Raise Dead, where you suffer -1 to Rolls for 3 milestones.

That is correct. There is no general rule causing a death penalty for coming back from the dead.

You need general rules for something that is being used many many times in a rule set and the general rule sets a default something with a handful of highly specialized occurrences do not call for general rules.

 

[ExploderWizard]

That is correct. There is no general rule causing a death penalty for coming back from the dead.

You need general rules for something that is being used many many times in a rule set and the general rule sets a default something with a handful of highly specialized occurrences do not call for general rules.

Correct, but if you spend too much time researching such a rule you may be subject to the dreaded nose in the book penalty.

 

[Garthanos]

Correct, but if you spend too much time researching such a rule you may be subject to the dreaded nose in the book penalty.

Find a specific rule which over rides a general one where they fail to mention the rule they are changing. That we can call questionable.

If you do you are probably the type still looking for rules about making restroom runs.

 

[The Bluemanarc]

You would think a rather basic and important aspect of the game would have been well covered.

Its just slack really when you think about it.

 

[Garthanos]

LOL not important at all. Even less important that it be the same for every different method of doing such a specialized thing.

 

[Garthanos]

Slack is not producing an Epic focused DMG, slack is not developing martial practices fully... slack is not including Martial controller builds.... slack is letting Mearles who thinks designers shouldnt think about action economy take over. Slack was not working the numbers behind Skill Challenges more fully ahead of release.

 

[Garthanos]

Not making a general rule for something that has no general use only specific ones ... yeh that is smart design.

 

[The Human Target]

You would think a rather basic and important aspect of the game would have been well covered.

Its just slack really when you think about it.

I mean, the rule is that there isn't a rule.