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This Man Is Reading Way Too Much Into X2. "It's all about homosexuality."

Blockader7

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Here is one man's review of X-Men 2; X-Men United. Personally I think he's reading way way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into the movie, and have nothing but incredibly poor attitudes towards him for doing so.

The article:

Amid action, 'X2' offers quiet message of struggle
One need only look slightly below the surface to discover the horde of homosexual references in the foundation of the film.
By Scott Essman, Special to The Los Angeles Times


In his review of "X2: X-Men United," Los Angeles Times film critic Kenneth Turan engrosses the reader with canny descriptions of the effects and thrills in the new comic-book action-adventure film. At the end of the review, however, he notes that " 'X2' might not be the place you'd think to look for any kind of message."

Yet one need only look slightly below the surface to discover the horde of homosexual references that director Bryan Singer and company have laid into the foundation of the film.

In its most general sense, "X2" is about a league of mutants (born distinctly different from "humans") led by professor Charles Xavier (Patrick Stewart) and Magneto (Ian McKellen), two apparently childless, single, middle-aged males. That all mutants are excluded from mainstream society, warranting a special underground society (Xavier's school and Magneto's more radical band of neo-terrorists), is a profoundly homosexual undercurrent in the film.

In the world of "X2," we see reactionary politicians, namely William Stryker (Brian Cox), who wishes to wipe out all mutants (coincidental parallels to recent Pennsylvania politicians?). In Stryker's case, his wrath is most directly driven by the discovery that his son was a mutant -- a classic metaphor for a straight father rejecting his gay son.

Moreover, heterosexual love is as confusing as it is forbidden for "X2's" lead characters. Thirtysomething Jean Grey (Famke Jannsen) is conflicted over feelings that she has for both Cyclops (James Marsden) and Wolverine (Hugh Jackman), unable to consummate her love for either. Forced to deal with his own demons, Wolverine fantasizes about Grey and Rogue (Anna Paquin) but cannot make a choice; there are too many uncertainties in his past that lead him on his tortured path. He plays right into the hands of cunning Mystique (Rebecca Romijn-Stamos), a shape-shifter whose profound beauty and ability to change sexual personas comes off as a tease to Wolverine, leaving him unable to choose. After a female character commits suicide, in part due to her own sexual identity conflicts, Cyclops and Wolverine are forced to console one another, though they cannot make direct eye contact.

Still, the most profound impact of "X2's" subtext is found in its young, indecisive characters. Rogue is unable to physically touch her "boyfriend" Iceman (Shawn Ashmore), a strong symbol of the taboo nature of homosexual feelings that the characters have sublimated. In their early 20s or younger, Rogue and Iceman confess that they are "working it out" when it comes to their relationship. A third young character, Pyro (Aaron Stanford), represents the possible love triangle.

When the group, expelled from Xavier's compound, arrives at Iceman's house, his parents are unaware he is a mutant. They reject him, his brother turning him in with Judas-like severity, and Iceman is forced to abandon the family, ostensibly forever. How many American teens can relate to this scene on a profoundly emotional level?

"X2's" numerous subtleties and dialogue references are many and will require multiple viewings to reveal. This author's favorites: a map showing the existence of mutants in virtually every corner of the Earth, and a phallic symbol in the shape of a soda bottle, handed from one character to another who blows on it to make the soda cold. Only a smart and distinguished production like "X2" could include that scene and still play in thousands of multiplexes.

The film represents a brilliant attempt to infuse a mainstream entertainment with homosexual themes and issues, playing to mass audiences without hitting them over the head with overtly gay material. Whereas many prominent gay characters are presented as cause for comic relief on popular TV sitcoms, Singer and his collaborators have carefully crafted a film that on the surface is an action spectacular, but is much more than that, speaking quietly to general audiences. As "X2's" mutants internally struggle over whether to separate or integrate into humanity, a strong parallel is drawn to our gay community's battles to do the same in our "straight" society.


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Freelance writer Scott Essman most recently produced a DVD about the career of makeup artist Jack Pierce. He lives in Glendora and can be reached at scottessman@yahoo.com.

From this site here:

http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/movies/mmx-030513-moviesx2,0,4475803.story?coll=mmx-movies_heds


I just don't understand why people like him can't leave things alone without reading too much sexual innuendos in it or turn it into some sort of triple x-rated crap.
 

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True, that is reading too far...BUT...it does hit on one of the "symbols" of the X-Men. The problem is, it isn't just ONE and it isn't that heavy on one. The X-Men, and mutants in general, can be applied to ANY outsider group(including teenagers...surprise surprise) with that much detail. It was the main idea for the X-Men really...the acceptance of outsiders and how hard it is for "normal" people to do. So, yes, there is SOME fact in that but its definatly too deep and ignoring many other important themes for the "hot topic" of the day.

:cool:
 

jdavis

First Post
You could draw several parallels to the civil rights movement too but that's not the point. This is just somebody trying to make a rallying cry out of something that isn't. The globe that shows mutants live all over the world is a symbol of homosexuality? Professor X and Magneto don't have children is a symbol for homosexuality?(Maybe somebody should of done a little more research into the comic book the movies are based on). The underground society is a profoundly homosexual undercurrent? (Like they are the only people who ever hid from persecution) Oh and the Wolverine, Cyclops and Jean Grey love triangle is a homosexual undertone of the movie? (Once again somebody should of done a little research into the comic before he turned the movie into a political statement). My favorite is the Dr Pepper ad placement bit, I'm sure Dr Pepper loves that their product is a phallic symbol in the movie. What a dumbass. He's not reading too much into this he's twisting it to fit his own personal agenda.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
Wow, the guy's treading on thin ice.

There's no evidence at all that Jean cannot consummate her love for Cyclops. Failing to consummate love in the middle of a war zone does not count as an inability to do so :) Similarly, it's pretty clear to me that Rogue is not at all a romanic possibility for Wolverine. Not all loving relationships are sexual. His for Rogue is paternal.
 

Blockader7

First Post
The X-Men have always been about exposing racism and hatred as how ugly it is.

But this writer seems to be saying that it's only about homosexuals because there's all kinds of homosexual innuendos in it.

And I just can't agree with that. It's way off base.

What would he say with a group of guys who were playing poker together? Some men get beers for another, is that a homosexual innuendo? Are the cigars a homosexual innuendo? What about the game itself? Are each and every single one of those card symbols homosexual innuendos?

Baloney.
 
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Mallus

Legend
Blockader7 said:
I just don't understand why people like him can't leave things alone without reading too much sexual innuendos in it or turn it into some sort of triple x-rated crap.

Err, because the guy is {presumably} a freelance writer and he makes a living writing articles?? Or he's just a guy with a particular interpretation of the film --however off-base it might be...

And the essay is hardly x-rated, you're overstating things as much as he is...

Iceman's "coming out" to his parents is clearly meant to reference a homosexual teen coming out to their parents, right down to the mother saying "Can you try not being a mutant?"

I don't buy the rest of it; the overarching theme has always been the fight against bigotry and prejudice in general, saying that's it specifically targets homosexual discrimination does the X-Men a big disservice. It's far more ambitious...

But the trick to these kind of critical essays is overstatement, hyberbole. I don't think they're meant to 'exaplain' their subjects completely. They sell {oversell} one particular interpretation. And if they score one or two salient points, well, that's about par for the course. Happens all the time in literary criticism; the Marxist reading of book X, the Freudian reading of book Y...

Besides, people interpret works based on their own beliefs/experiences/agendas/ideologies all the time. Who doesn't? Maybe you agree, or disagree, or just maybe you come to view a work in a totally new light after encountering someone else point of view...
 
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Aaron L

Hero
The bottle of pop was a homosexual sexual reference? Gimme a break. Wolverine torn between Jean and Rogue? He isn't a pedophile.
 

krunchyfrogg

Explorer
While this writer is obvously off his rocker, it can't be ignored after Ian McKellen associates his being gay and being a mutant outcast as a parallel in the X 1.5 special edition interviews.

He also works it into Gandalf somehow, I can't remember how, on the LotR special edition DVD.

We get it, Ian. ;)
 

Silver Moon

Adventurer
jdavis said:
He's not reading too much into this he's twisting it to fit his own personal agenda.
I'd agree with that statement. X-2 made an easy target given its message about prejudice and acceptance of those who are different, although he just as easily could have picked any number of other films to twist into his "it's really about...." logic. We've all seen people do this with books, tv, ect., whether it's X-2, teletubbies, or whatever else comes along.

(But if you really want to find innuendos in the film, how did the guy miss Nightcrawler sticking the dagger into the President's desk?)
 

Assenpfeffer

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As Mallus points out, there's a very clear gay subtext in the movie in the scene where Bobby "comes out" to his family. Other than that, I think this writer is exaggerating things quite a bit.

On the other hand, the strength of any piece of art comes from the fact that you can have multiple interpretations of its meaning. People find the message they're looking for - that's what's happening here, and it's nothing unusual. People hear what the film says to them.

Look at LotR, for example; how many "major themes" have been pointed out in it? Many of these are not even mutually compatible. Hell, the Fascist Party over in Italy regards the book as a splendid illustration of their beliefs in totalitarianism and racial hegemony - and I'm quite sure that Tolkien never intended any such implication.

So yeah, I think this guy is off-base, but that doesn't mean his opinion - or his interpretation - of the film is any less legitimate than yours or mine.
 

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