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Touch attack for Evard's Black Tentacles?
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Thanee said:
How do you justify it not being overpowered? I feel more than a bit biased, as it's my favorite spell. I keep ruining my DM's day in Return to the Temple of E. Evil.
It almost seems overpowered because (as we were doing) there's no touch attack, no SR, no save. It kills clerics (no dimension door), rogues (too weak) and just about everything medium sized. I'm almost agreeing with him.
Thanee
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Not really different to a fighter grappling them.
Some creatures/characters are simply not very well-suited for grappling.
But you can still cast some spells (few enough, of course, unless you prepared them with Still Spell), or escape with a good roll, it's not like the grapple check was virtually unbeatable, as it is with some monsters. Clerics, for example, have Freedom of Movement to completely negate the spell, or could be buffed with Divine Power and stand more than a good chance to make the grapple check. Rogues could escape with Escape Artist.
And the damage the spell does is pathetic. It takes ages to kill something with it alone.
Bye
Thanee
Some creatures/characters are simply not very well-suited for grappling.
But you can still cast some spells (few enough, of course, unless you prepared them with Still Spell), or escape with a good roll, it's not like the grapple check was virtually unbeatable, as it is with some monsters. Clerics, for example, have Freedom of Movement to completely negate the spell, or could be buffed with Divine Power and stand more than a good chance to make the grapple check. Rogues could escape with Escape Artist.
And the damage the spell does is pathetic. It takes ages to kill something with it alone.
Bye
Thanee
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Yep. And they are usually size large or bigger. ....and the higher level wizards and clerics have extra-dimensional travel options.
Rogues are still screwed. ...but ain't that always the case?
Right now (level 7?), you've got that +8 "kicker" added to your caster level (for grapple checks). That's what makes the spell nasty. In a few levels, that +8 won't seem quite as large.
Rogues are still screwed. ...but ain't that always the case?
Right now (level 7?), you've got that +8 "kicker" added to your caster level (for grapple checks). That's what makes the spell nasty. In a few levels, that +8 won't seem quite as large.
Thanee said:Not really different to a fighter grappling them.
Some creatures/characters are simply not very well-suited for grappling.
But you can still cast some spells (few enough, of course, unless you prepared them with Still Spell), or escape with a good roll, it's not like the grapple check was virtually unbeatable, as it is with some monsters. Clerics, for example, have Freedom of Movement to completely negate the spell, or could be buffed with Divine Power and stand more than a good chance to make the grapple check. Rogues could escape with Escape Artist.
And the damage the spell does is pathetic. It takes ages to kill something with it alone.
Bye
Thanee
Thanks a bunch. I'll pass this on to my DM. He'll be happy to have a way to defeat Evard's Godlike Tentacles, as he calls them.
